Brenda Leyland. Coroner's Court reconvenes on 20 March 2015.

[Montclair]

Do you think that's Andy Redwood's problem too then?  In love with Kate is he?  One could turn the tables and say that your utter contempt for the McCanns as people has blinded YOU to logic and facts, but I don't suppose you'd be able to see that, so blinded are you by contempt...

Do you have any idea what Andy Redwood is thinking? I don't think so.

[Wonderfulspam]

Do you think that's Andy Redwood's problem too then?  In love with Kate is he?  One could turn the tables and say that your utter contempt for the McCanns as people has blinded YOU to logic and facts, but I don't suppose you'd be able to see that, so blinded are you by contempt...

Redwood really does believe them, doesn't he Alf.

Whereas 'Hulk' has murder in mind.

[Mr Gray]

You are so in love with this couple that you are completely blind to logic and facts.

If the McCanns felt that they were libelled by Brenda or other "trolls" nothing was stopping them taking them to court.

That's what they were doing...they may have been committing other crimes...

You and others are consumed by hatred..as was Brenda...that's a very destructive force..look where it got Brenda..

Love...on the other hand...is absolutely wonderful

[stephen25000]

That's what they were doing...they may have been committing other crimes...

You and others are consumed by hatred..as was Brenda...that's a very destructive force..look where it got Brenda..

Love...on the other hand...is absolutely wonderful

Hatred Dave.

Read blacksmith last week.

He got it on the mark.

[faithlilly]

And it follows that the McCanns have the right, within the law, to retaliate.  The operative word is of course within the law.

Do I take it, montclair,  that you are perfectly comfortable with grown adults engaging in online discussion of which school bus the twins take, and taking covert photographs of them?

 

I believe it was Kate who instigated the discussion with regard to the school bus by the use of her son to emotionally manipulate  the judge in Lisbon and as to the 'covert photograph' if you are talking about the Commonwealth games photograph wasn't that a screen grab from the BBC's coverage ?

[Brietta]

Do you see Amaral in the newspapers all the time with a spokesman spouting lies?

I believe Dr Amaral has carved out a chequered media career for himself, taking part in many discussion and current affairs programmes. 

Whether or not he was “spouting lies” as you put it, is not for me to say.

Since you have raised the subject of lying, it is perhaps pertinent to mention that the Portuguese judiciary saw fit to convict Dr Amaral of telling lies and awarded him an 18 month suspended sentence for doing so.

Many of the opinions tweeted and discussed on forums set up specifically to "research" Madeleine's case base their creed on Dr Amaral's works and it was as a very active part of this underbelly that Ms Leyland tweeted and posted.

McCann detective guilty of perjury
 
  Published: Fri, May 22, 2009 

The disgraced former Portuguese police chief who previously led the inquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance has been convicted of perjury in a separate case.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/102810/McCann-detective-guilty-of-perjury

[Jean-Pierre]

I believe it was Kate who instigated the discussion with regard to the school bus by the use of her son to emotionally manipulate  the judge in Lisbon and as to the 'covert photograph' if you are talking about the Commonwealth games photograph wasn't that a screen grab from the BBC's coverage ?

On the latter point you may be right Faith.  Fair enough.

On the former, I tyhink the initial reference was to a radio news program, and the effect on the twins.  I am sorry to say there was subsequently an extended discussion on social media about which bus they caught, times etc. 

In my view, unacceptable.   

[Lace]

I find the people defending the McCanns very short of arguments. Tell me please who was egging Brenda on? Of course, in your mind, it could not be because she decided for herself, after seeing all the information and the police files, that perhaps all was not as the parents said it was. How did she mock and torment the McCanns? She never sent them any personal messages. All she did was express her own opinion that some might find offensive but that's tough luck. Certainly not a reason to be pushed to committing suicide.

As for debating the case, that is something that the McCanns do not want at all, they are afraid of debates and different opinions.

Brenda Leyland was in a group who mocked and tormented the McCann's.   Did she know if they were reading twitter or not when she made her posts?

The point I am making is,   when a large group of people get in a baying crowd,   the individual person can feel powerful.

How do you know the McCann's do not want debate?

Debate is a lot different.

[Jean-Pierre]

I find the people defending the McCanns very short of arguments. Tell me please who was egging Brenda on? Of course, in your mind, it could not be because she decided for herself, after seeing all the information and the police files, that perhaps all was not as the parents said it was. How did she mock and torment the McCanns? She never sent them any personal messages. All she did was express her own opinion that some might find offensive but that's tough luck. Certainly not a reason to be pushed to committing suicide.

As for debating the case, that is something that the McCanns do not want at all, they are afraid of debates and different opinions.

In what way do you think she was "pushed to commit suicide" then? 

[faithlilly]

On the latter point you may be right Faith.  Fair enough.

On the former, I tyhink the initial reference was to a radio news program, and the effect on the twins.  I am sorry to say there was subsequently an extended discussion on social media about which bus they caught, times etc. 

In my view, unacceptable.

Agreed it is unacceptable but im afraid it was their mother who informed the public that they rode the bus, information that no one except those closest to the McCanns need have known.

Just a thought. We have heard several times of a threat to kidnap the twins to make their parents talk. Would the McCanns really let the twins ride on the school bus if their safety was in question, especially as Kate has a car and doesn't work ?

[Lace]

Can anyone give me a reason why people would congregate in large numbers just to jeer and call the McCann's names,   talk about seeing them and where they saw them, taking photo's,    and swapping stories of  how they would like to 'waterboard'  them etc. etc.

What is the point of it?   It is not debating is it.

If they had been  taking place involving my family I would certainly be very concerned,   and don't anyone say they would just brush it off.

[Wonderfulspam]

Can anyone give me a reason why people would congregate in large numbers just to jeer and call the McCann's names,   talk about seeing them and where they saw them, taking photo's,    and swapping stories of  how they would like to 'waterboard'  them etc. etc.

What is the point of it?   It is not debating is it.

If they had been  taking place involving my family I would certainly be very concerned,   and don't anyone say they would just brush it off.

Because some people really don't like the McCanns very much at all & they believe that the pair are as guilty as hell, perhaps.

I reckon it's because of that.

[faithlilly]

Can anyone give me a reason why people would congregate in large numbers just to jeer and call the McCann's names,   talk about seeing them and where they saw them, taking photo's,    and swapping stories of  how they would like to 'waterboard'  them etc. etc.

What is the point of it?   It is not debating is it.

If they had been  taking place involving my family I would certainly be very concerned,   and don't anyone say they would just brush it off.

That's a good question Lace. Why do the McCanns, out of all the parents who have had a child abducted or murdered, elicit such anger in a great many of the general public ?

[Lace]

There is no answer to that Faithfully, except to say that maybe it is because the McCann's have not hit back.

It should in my opinion have been nipped in the bud early on,   it started with some people who THINK the McCann's are guilty of something starting a forum.

This escalated,   now you have people who don't THINK they are right they believe that they KNOW they are right and demand that the McCann's are arrested and made to answer questions.

Whilst you get those who want to put their point across by debating in a rational manner,  you get others who just want to throw abuse.

[ferryman]

Because some people really don't like the McCanns very much at all & they believe that the pair are as guilty as hell, perhaps.

I reckon it's because of that.

There's just no accounting for blind, irrational hatred.