The whooshing curtains, net curtains or both?

[pathfinder73]

No blowing curtains or draughts at 9:30

4078 'Is there anything else, that you smelt, could you smell anything''
Reply 'No, no, we've talked about that before, I didn't smell anything. I was there to check, erm, no, no funny sort of smells, no sort of funny draughts, no sort of funny sort of noises, no, erm, nothing that I can think of for that.

certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet.

4078 'The curtains were drawn and weren't blowing around''
Reply 'Yeah'.(MO)

[sadie]

What ever else we have, or have not, found with these photos, one thing is clear

There is so much variety in these photos that we cannot use one photo and claim that is how the PJ found the room.



We just dont know which photo is correct.

[Alice Purjorick]

The whooshing curtains, net curtains or both?

Were there someone on this forum with suitable knowledge of mechanics and physics (the same really I suppose) they could jump a reasonably accurate figure for the mass of the curtains then work out the force required to make them "whoosh" then make a reasonable assumption whether or not the weather condition obtain at the time could generate such force.
Well it would then give a reasonable basis for whether it were possible rather that just guessing or "in my opinioning" wouldn't it?

[slartibartfast]

What ever else we have, or have not, found with these photos, one thing is clear

There is so much variety in these photos that we cannot use one photo and claim that is how the PJ found the room.



We just dont know which photo is correct.

...though logically, forensic specialist will probably create a mess rather than tidy up and as there is "fingerprint powder" on the blind that would suggest the after shot.

[John]

The windows in the children's bedroom were of the sliding type.  We are told that the window was fully open ie one pane was slid horizontally across in front of the other.  We are also told that the curtains and nets were fully opened ie slid horizontally to each side of the window opening.  In those circumstances any breeze coming in the opening would tend to disturb the curtains adjacent to the opening.  The curtain next to the closed pane should not have moved and especially so as this curtain was trapped between the spare bed and the wall.  All very strange?

[sadie]

The windows in the children's bedroom were of the sliding type.  We are told that the window was fully open ie one pane was slid horizontally across in front of the other.  We are also told that the curtains and nets were fully opened ie slid horizontally to each side of the window opening.  In those circumstances any breeze coming in the opening would tend to disturb the curtains adjacent to the opening.  The curtain next to the closed pane should not have moved and especially so as this curtain was trapped between the spare bed and the wall.  All very strange?

The curtain was NOT trapped it appears John.  You are looking at photos taken after everyone had lifted beds eand shoved furniture around when looking for Madeleine.

I posted an image of how the beds were normally and they were clear of the walls on both beds.  To start pff with, the headboard is woder than the bed; that makes a gap.


You cannot look at photos taken after all the searching and say that is how it was before the search.

[stephen25000]

The curtain was NOT trapped it appears John.  You are looking at photos taken after everyone had lifted beds eand shoved furniture around when looking for Madeleine.

I posted an image of how the beds were normally and they were clear of the walls on both beds.  To start pff with, the headboard is woder than the bed; that makes a gap.


You cannot look at photos taken after all the searching and say that is how it was before the search.

How do you know how the beds were arranged ?


Were you in the apartment when the mccanns were there ?

[sadie]

How do you know how the beds were arranged ?


Were you in the apartment when the mccanns were there ?

I have displayed the photo of the beds in their NORMAL positions.  To take evidence of trapped curtains from photos taken after all the searching, moving of furniture and havoc is a gross error.  But then you wouldn't mind that if it showed what YOU wanted , would you? 

[John]

The curtain was NOT trapped it appears John.  You are looking at photos taken after everyone had lifted beds eand shoved furniture around when looking for Madeleine.

I posted an image of how the beds were normally and they were clear of the walls on both beds.  To start pff with, the headboard is woder than the bed; that makes a gap.


You cannot look at photos taken after all the searching and say that is how it was before the search.

I am surprised at you using this photo as it does not reflect the scene on the night.  Two cots missing for a start.

[pathfinder73]

I have displayed the photo of the beds in their NORMAL positions.  To take evidence of trapped curtains from photos taken after all the searching, moving of furniture and havoc is a gross error.  But then you wouldn't mind that if it showed what YOU wanted , would you?

You don't know what was the normal position of that bed? They moved the bed in their room away from the wardrobe. That wasn't the normal position either. The police take pictures of the crime scene as they first find it. The curtain was trapped against the wall. There was hardly any room to move things around in the bedroom.

[Alice Purjorick]

Re my post 10;42 on 26th Oct.
No takers for calculating the wind speed required to "whoosh" the curtains. I am disappointed, considering all the "ologies" we have on this site. It's only about "A" level Physics 

[Miss Taken Identity]

The whooshing curtain is a red herring- I have always maintained that.

 However, I do have a door which slams shut on  very windy days/nights- when I open my patio door at the back of the house. But we are talking very windy-not  a breeze. There was no mention of very windy weather.

No gushing = no whooshing. Simples!

[faithlilly]

The whooshing curtain is a red herring- I have always maintained that.

 However, I do have a door which slams shut on  very windy days/nights- when I open my patio door at the back of the house. But we are talking very windy-not  a breeze. There was no mention of very windy weather.

No gushing = no whooshing. Simples!

And imagine it slams almost immediately on the opening of your patio doors ?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Yes, Immediately, It doesn't wait until I attempt to close one or the other.

[Benice]

The whooshing curtain is a red herring- I have always maintained that.

 However, I do have a door which slams shut on  very windy days/nights- when I open my patio door at the back of the house. But we are talking very windy-not  a breeze. There was no mention of very windy weather.

No gushing = no whooshing. Simples!

There doesn't have to be a wind or even a breeze.    An inside door can be pushed opened simply by the change in air pressure created by another door being opened to the outside.   It depends largely on the position of the doors in relation to oneanother.

Like yourself I speak from personal experience.

However breezes do gust - and so need to reach a certain level of intensity - when coming through a window to have any effect on a door  in the same room.   

I have also had personal experience of that happening.