Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?

[mercury]

Sheila might have had mental health problems but there is nothing in her past to suggest she could have done such a thing.  Whoever killed the family was proficient in the use of a .22 calibre rifle.

As for evidence that Jeremy did it, the evidence shows that Sheila didn't do it and as she and Jeremy were the only suspects it doesn't require a PHD in sleuthing to work it out.

The issue of the girlfriend, the relatives who benefitted and the blood in the sound moderator are interesting but detract nothing from the crucial forensic evidence.

So what was in JB's past that suggested he could have done this far over and above SC
She lived on a farm, did she never go out shooting ever?
Doesn't it also make you wonder why the evidence is being pored over 30 years later? If it was a slam dunk would this happen? I know you know 99 per cent more than me in this case, but just asking.

[John]

So what was in JB's past that suggested he could have done this far over and above SC
She lived on a farm, did she never go out shooting ever?
Doesn't it also make you wonder why the evidence is being pored over 30 years later? If it was a slam dunk would this happen? I know you know 99 per cent more than me in this case, but just asking.

I think it is still pored over because it was simply an unbelievably callous crime and some people still cannot accept that a young man brought up with a silver spoon to such a well healed family could have done such a dreadful thing.  History teaches us however that sentiment has no place when it comes to crime.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-perfect-murder-conspiracy-flawed-only-by-a-sons-bloody-burden-of-guilt-roderick-and-mark-newall-protested-their-innocence-for-years-but-rodericks-conscience-overwhelmed-him-stephen-ward-and-christopher-elliot-tell-how-the-brothers-early-unhappiness-grew-into-violent-hate-1382310.html

[Passer-by]

I think it is still pored over because it was simply an unbelievably callous crime and some people still cannot accept that a young man brought up with a silver spoon to such a well healed family could have done such a dreadful thing.  History teaches us however that sentiment has no place when it comes to crime.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-perfect-murder-conspiracy-flawed-only-by-a-sons-bloody-burden-of-guilt-roderick-and-mark-newall-protested-their-innocence-for-years-but-rodericks-conscience-overwhelmed-him-stephen-ward-and-christopher-elliot-tell-how-the-brothers-early-unhappiness-grew-into-violent-hate-1382310.html

I think it's a mistake to think people brought up with silver spoons in their mouths don't have unhappy childhoods.  That pair and Bamber and Sheila were all packed off to boarding school - in those days any number of awful things could have happened to them.  I believe Sheila was expelled from 2.  The only girl expelled from my school that I can recall was the deputy Head Girl who set fire to it whilst boarders were sleeping having previously caused several false alarms so that the fire alarm was turned off, so I don't think expulsion is over something flippant.

Interesting paragraph in that article:
"After Radley, where Roderick seems to have been popular without distinguishing himself, he went to Sandhurst in 1983, and joined the Royal Green Jackets, the most socially prestigious infantry regiment, rose to Lieutenant, and served in Germany and Northern Ireland. His military training taught him not only to kill, but how to avoid being watched or followed and how to handle interrogation."

He rose to Lieutenant, eh?  That's one up from where he started and pretty much a given.  Absolutely ludicrous to say he was trained how to avoid being watched and how to handle interrogation:  anyone would think he was in the SAS. It shows how reporters ramp up the detail.

I've always thought it odd that Bamber would have pre-planned the murder - which could have waited for the next visit to the farm - to take place during the harvest.  They were only tenant farmers, had a large mortgage for other properties they had bought to let and the farm was mostly arable:  screwing up the harvest could have bankrupt the business he was supposedly killing them for. 

Greshams wasn't a first-rate school and their lives were fairly ordinary but came with the benefits-in-kind that come with farming, like a big old house and business assets which lower the tax exposure being used for technically non-farming use - like Bamber's car.  My brother-in-law's kids all have cars, Blackberries and regular tanks if petrol, for example:  if the silly sod had died falling through the roof however (either time!  ) they would have had a mountain of debt and lost the goodies.  A farm is nothing over-night without the knowledge of the person who farmed it for the last 20 years, who acquired the knowledge of the farmer before that with a long hand-over.  A farm is essentially a key-man business.

If Bamber did it, it was not for money.

[John]

I think it's a mistake to think people brought up with silver spoons in their mouths don't have unhappy childhoods.  That pair and Bamber and Sheila were all packed off to boarding school - in those days any number of awful things could have happened to them.  I believe Sheila was expelled from 2.  The only girl expelled from my school that I can recall was the deputy Head Girl who set fire to it whilst boarders were sleeping having previously caused several false alarms so that the fire alarm was turned off, so I don't think expulsion is over something flippant.

Interesting paragraph in that article:
"After Radley, where Roderick seems to have been popular without distinguishing himself, he went to Sandhurst in 1983, and joined the Royal Green Jackets, the most socially prestigious infantry regiment, rose to Lieutenant, and served in Germany and Northern Ireland. His military training taught him not only to kill, but how to avoid being watched or followed and how to handle interrogation."

He rose to Lieutenant, eh?  That's one up from where he started and pretty much a given.  Absolutely ludicrous to say he was trained how to avoid being watched and how to handle interrogation:  anyone would think he was in the SAS. It shows how reporters ramp up the detail.

I've always thought it odd that Bamber would have pre-planned the murder - which could have waited for the next visit to the farm - to take place during the harvest.  They were only tenant farmers, had a large mortgage for other properties they had bought to let and the farm was mostly arable:  screwing up the harvest could have bankrupt the business he was supposedly killing them for. 

Greshams wasn't a first-rate school and their lives were fairly ordinary but came with the benefits-in-kind that come with farming, like a big old house and business assets which lower the tax exposure being used for technically non-farming use - like Bamber's car.  My brother-in-law's kids all have cars, Blackberries and regular tanks if petrol, for example:  if the silly sod had died falling through the roof however (either time!  ) they would have had a mountain of debt and lost the goodies.  A farm is nothing over-night without the knowledge of the person who farmed it for the last 20 years, who acquired the knowledge of the farmer before that with a long hand-over.  A farm is essentially a key-man business.

If Bamber did it, it was not for money.

The timing was crucial, he needed them all together at the same time.

[Passer-by]

The timing was crucial, he needed them all together at the same time.

Yet it was on the cards they would move up near the farm, in which case they'd all be together quite often.  And there's always Christmas.

[Passer-by]

Besides, one might just as well argue that she needed them all together for a family annihilation - but couldn't enact it anywhere except the farm where there was a gun.  Family Annihilators almost always use a gun.

[Myster]

But there was no need for Sheila to murder her mother and father (even if she thought they were going to claim custody, which was joint with Colin anyway). If she was intent on killing the twins and committing suicide, she could have done so with a knife and jumped off the top of Morshead Mansions, in a similar way to Theresa Riggi...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363755/Theresa-Riggi-admits-killing-3-children-locked-custody-battle-husband.html

Unlike her brother, I don't think Sheila had one scheming nerve cell in her brain. According to her best friends, the Tomkinsons, she needed help to get started and buy the items needed to decorate a room in her flat.

[Myster]

Why would she make such a pig's ear of her first (not immediately fatal ) neck shot, when she'd already fired accurate head shots at the rest of the family?

[Passer-by]

Well quite easily given shooting someone else is a simple point-and-press job, whereas shooting yourself involves lying the gun along the length of your body, pulling the trigger away from you because it is now reversed, and having to angle your head right.  How could Bamber make such a pig's ear of it, as he was used to the gun, a crack shot, had no trouble shooting everyone else and apparently had his sister's complete cooperation.

Especially as he knew she should only be shot once.

I must look up some more info about Family Annihilators so you can see they take out everyone - and plan it in advance.  I reckon she could have been hoping Colin would stay.

Feeling a bit burnt-out playing 'fetch' on the Dewani thread, so doubt it will be tonight.

I know you're all sick of me droning on about South Africa, but it did have a very high rate of Family Annihilators - something like the Bamber case happens every other weekend - and it always struck me as odd that the maid (as they like to be known) would get out unharmed, but they would frequently invite the in-laws or parents over, or they'd go over to negotiated, then they'd be shot as well.  It seems from what I've read about Family Annihilators that that's quite common, as it's just their family they want to kill - in Sheila's case she might have fallen into the category that thinks they are saving everyone from a bad world and they'll all be reunited happily in the afterlife.  It's practically a mercy-mission in their eyes.  I believe it came out that Sheila had told her therapist her children were sons of the Devil and she was afraid she might kill them, as well as having suicide attempts.

[Myster]

Feeling a bit burnt-out playing 'fetch' on the Dewani thread, so doubt it will be tonight.

I quite understand... you must be exhausted from admiring that aerial view of the new Oscar Pisstorius running track.

[mercury]

I think it is still pored over because it was simply an unbelievably callous crime and some people still cannot accept that a young man brought up with a silver spoon to such a well healed family could have done such a dreadful thing.  History teaches us however that sentiment has no place when it comes to crime.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-perfect-murder-conspiracy-flawed-only-by-a-sons-bloody-burden-of-guilt-roderick-and-mark-newall-protested-their-innocence-for-years-but-rodericks-conscience-overwhelmed-him-stephen-ward-and-christopher-elliot-tell-how-the-brothers-early-unhappiness-grew-into-violent-hate-1382310.html

Evidence is not poured over for three decades when there is a conviction and 99 per cent believe it is safe although there is horror at crimes committed. What other "solved cases" does this happen in?
Its not as if it's an unsolved mystery is it?

[Passer-by]

I quite understand... you must be exhausted from admiring that aerial view of the new Oscar Pisstorius running track.

Quite!   

[Passer-by]

Evidence is not poured over for three decades when there is a conviction and 99 per cent believe it is safe although there is horror at crimes committed. What other "solved cases" does this happen in?
Its not as if it's an unsolved mystery is it?

Looking through the site it seems one of the extraordinary aspects of this case is how much primary material is in the public domain compared to others, which contributes to us pouring over it!

I think the intriguing thing is just one you think it's one, you discovered which means it could equally be the other.  But I think part of the trouble in solving the riddle is in assuming firstly that it was spontaneous if it was Sheila - it's much more likely to be every bit as premeditated as it was if it was Bamber - and secondly to assume Nevill was asleep in the bedroom when it started.

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't know why anyone insists on trying to pin various personality disorders on JB when he has been formally assessed by numerous qualified personnel and none has been identified.  No psychopathy.  No sociopath.  No narcisstic immunity. 

Sure the polygraph might be BS.

[Myster]

Why would he not allow the police to examine his medical records in '85?  &%+((£