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Offline sadie

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #180 on: November 04, 2014, 12:26:34 AM »
Trouble is, why would they buy rotting meat at a supermarket?
Meat bought anywhere, forgotten about and accidentally left for the day in a closed car in the PT heat would go off, most especially so if it was accidentally left in the car overnight as well.

If the bag burst ... then it sounds as though it was forgotten and left even longer in  the car.

ferryman

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Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #181 on: November 04, 2014, 07:16:46 AM »
I think, maybe, Slarbart's post was tongue-in-cheek?

Offline jassi

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #182 on: November 04, 2014, 08:26:45 AM »
Trouble is, why would they buy rotting meat at a supermarket?


Perhaps there was a translation error with the sell by date.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #183 on: November 04, 2014, 08:38:23 AM »

Perhaps there was a translation error with the sell by date.

Very good.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Benice

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #184 on: November 04, 2014, 09:33:17 AM »
Meat bought anywhere, forgotten about and accidentally left for the day in a closed car in the PT heat would go off, most especially so if it was accidentally left in the car overnight as well.

If the bag burst ... then it sounds as though it was forgotten and left even longer in  the car.

IIRC one of the other families who hired that car carried meat for a barbecue in their boot. 

There are loads of innocent reasons why a boot would smell.    I recently carried a box of potatoes freshly dug up from an allotment in my boot.   Even after removing it - a strong  'earthy' smell lingered.

Nappies, food, bags of rubbish - all manner of material could leave an unpleasant smell  in a car boot - especially in a hot climate.

A big fuss about nothing IMO.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

ferryman

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Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #185 on: November 04, 2014, 09:46:05 AM »
I  think that if the finger of suspicion had not fallen on Madeleine’s parents it is highly likely that Robert Murat would have had the full force of the investigation directed at him and I think it is possible he could have found himself in serious trouble.

Being made an arguido so early in the inquiry possibly gave him legal rights which helped him to avoid this outcome.

I think even very early on there were efforts underway to pin the crime on any feasible person … to ensure the true perpetrator\s remained in the clear.

All it would have taken imo would have been for Jane Tanner to identify the man she saw as Robert Murat.  I think he was very fortunate that she was so steadfast in refusing to identify a man she had not really seen, because at that time I think the PJ believed it was him.
A positive identification would have been all they needed to intensify their scrutiny to get this case solved.

I think he was being ‘set up’ with the anonymous phone call 8th May being the first move to implicate him.

On the11th May I think the PJ really thought they were on to something when the site visit suggested that the direction taken by the man seen by Jane Tanner and the proximity to the Murat villa and a named suspect  tied in so well with their theory of abduction.
 
Suspicions of Inspector Pedro Varanda following the Diane Webster interview which Murat translated in combination with the suspicions of Chief Inspector Reis Santos ... compounded by the suspicions he raised in the British journalist would perhaps have given him a lot of trouble if the focus had remained on him.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

I have read carefully what you have said but I still think if the McCanns had returned home in despair at an earlier stage in the proceedings, if Jane had mistakenly identified him and other witness statements had been taken into account, I think Robert Murat would have found himself between a rock and a hard place ... leaving the perpetrator to roam free without a care in the world because everyone would have given up on Madeleine.

I think that is why Madeleine’s parents have suffered so much abuse, because they refused to go home and let go as 99.9% of the population would have ... they refused to give up on Madeleine ... no-one is looking at the original arguidos ... but two law enforcement agencies are looking for the perpetrator\s.

Interesting.

I think Amaral was being closely watched in any event, remember with arguido status hanging over his head from the Cipriano case.

The allegations against Murat were carefully examined and found wanting. 

I tend to the view that that would have happened anyway, especially remembering that the prosecutors (ever watchful) seemed to have been shrewd and perceptive ...

Offline faithlilly

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #186 on: November 04, 2014, 09:46:27 AM »
IIRC one of the other families who hired that car carried meat for a barbecue in their boot. 

There are loads of innocent reasons why a boot would smell.    I recently carried a box of potatoes freshly dug up from an allotment in my boot.   Even after removing it - a strong  'earthy' smell lingered.

Nappies, food, bags of rubbish - all manner of material could leave an unpleasant smell  in a car boot - especially in a hot climate.

A big fuss about nothing IMO.

I have to agree Benice.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline jassi

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #187 on: November 04, 2014, 09:53:41 AM »
IIRC one of the other families who hired that car carried meat for a barbecue in their boot. 

There are loads of innocent reasons why a boot would smell.    I recently carried a box of potatoes freshly dug up from an allotment in my boot.   Even after removing it - a strong  'earthy' smell lingered.

Nappies, food, bags of rubbish - all manner of material could leave an unpleasant smell  in a car boot - especially in a hot climate.

A big fuss about nothing IMO.

But you still feel the need to defend it   @)(++(*
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Benice

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #188 on: November 04, 2014, 10:00:40 AM »
But you still feel the need to defend it   @)(++(*

It's not a defence - it's an explanation - as to why smells could be present in the boot of a car - and why the owners might want to leave the boot open to air it.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline jassi

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #189 on: November 04, 2014, 10:06:29 AM »
Defending the defence now - nice  @)(++(*
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #190 on: November 04, 2014, 10:18:39 AM »
IIRC one of the other families who hired that car carried meat for a barbecue in their boot. 

There are loads of innocent reasons why a boot would smell.    I recently carried a box of potatoes freshly dug up from an allotment in my boot.   Even after removing it - a strong  'earthy' smell lingered.

Nappies, food, bags of rubbish - all manner of material could leave an unpleasant smell  in a car boot - especially in a hot climate.

A big fuss about nothing IMO.

Totally agree.

It would have been worth discussing …

If Eddie had gone mad at the boot; but he didn’t despite myth to the contrary.

If forensics had turned up body fluids and handfuls of hair; they didn’t despite myth to the contrary.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #191 on: November 04, 2014, 10:43:57 AM »
The witness said always open day and night. Not for a few days to get rid of a smell but open all the time so she reported it. This same smell is still there when others come to PDL and drive the car. A smell they can't get rid off even after leaving the boot open constantly at the villa in July.

41.09 – I drive down this street every day to turn my car around at that end, and every time that I passed the house, and I looked at the car, and the car always had an open boot door, day or night. I often passed at night, and always verified it. It was a fact, I reported it, and that was it.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #192 on: November 04, 2014, 10:50:49 AM »
The witness said always open day and night. Not for a few days to get rid of a smell but open all the time so she reported it. This same smell is still there when others come to PDL and drive the car. A smell they can't get rid off even after leaving the boot open constantly at the villa in July.

41.09 – I drive down this street every day to turn my car around at that end, and every time that I passed the house, and I looked at the car, and the car always had an open boot door, day or night. I often passed at night, and always verified it. It was a fact, I reported it, and that was it.

Wondered where it came from.

Came from Amaral's book.

Must be true, then ....

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #193 on: November 04, 2014, 10:53:06 AM »
Transcript of his documentary:

40.04 – The witness who lived near the McCanns' second home, in Aldeia da Luz, who says she witnessed an uncommon fact about the McCanns' hire car, where the dogs detected cadaver odour and remains that may belong to Maddie, was not heard, either. This neighbour has signed a document authorising the broadcast of her deposition that identifies her, but fearing threats and pressures, she doesn't show her face.
 
40.30 – This is an interesting matter, when I left the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimão, in October 2007, nothing was known about this vehicle, about this issue of the open car boot. We knew that inside the vehicle cadaver odour and bodily fluids had been found, where Madeleine McCann's DNA profile was extracted from, with 15 alleles. Months later, there is a lawyer, who lives nearby, who came to report that after the McCanns arrived at this villa, they saw the car boot open from then on.
 
41.09 – Witness: "I drive down this street every day to turn my car around at that end, and every time that I passed the house, and I looked at the car, and the car always had an open boot door, day or night. I often passed at night, and always verified it. It was a fact, I reported it, and that was it."
 
41.33 – It's important to report the following: that lady, that lawyer, was never heard at the Polícia Judiciária because her deposition was not considered to be relevant, which is strange. While she was not heard, while a rogatory letter was sent to England, relatives of Gerald and Kate McCann came out to say that they had transported, inside this car boot, food from the supermarket, namely a meat package that leaked blood.

Next. 


Offline Carana

Re: Did the McCann"s sudden flight from Portugal engender suspicion?
« Reply #194 on: November 04, 2014, 10:53:19 AM »
The witness said always open day and night. Not for a few days to get rid of a smell but open all the time so she reported it. This same smell is still there when others come to PDL and drive the car. A smell they can't get rid off even after leaving the boot open constantly at the villa in July.

41.09 – I drive down this street every day to turn my car around at that end, and every time that I passed the house, and I looked at the car, and the car always had an open boot door, day or night. I often passed at night, and always verified it. It was a fact, I reported it, and that was it.

Who did she report it to? Was it ever verified whose car it was... licence plate or anything?
Has anyone ever found this woman's statement in the files? I haven't.