Are there other cases of an abductor carrying a child through streets?

[Anna]

The following is a copy/paste of an article called "The 26 Stages of Death", the original of which is located at http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com
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Moment of Death:
1} The heart stops
2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
3} All the muscles relax
4} The bladder and bowels empty
5} The body's temperature will typically drop 1.5 degrees F. per hour unless outside environment is a factor. The liver is the organ that stays warmest the longest, and this temperature is used to establish time of death if the body is found within that time frame.
After 30 minutes:
6} The skin gets purple and waxy
7} The lips, finger- and toe nails fade to a pale color or turn white as the blood leaves.
8} Blood pools at the lowest parts of the body leaving a dark purple-black stain called lividity
9} The hands and feet turn blue {because of lack of oxygenation to the tissues}
10} The eyes start to sink into the skull

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The child the Smiths allegedly saw had bare feet, which, due to the way she was being carried must have been the most visible & lower-most parts of her body. None of the Smiths recalled a strange-coloured skin-tone which may have indicated the child was dead.

Thank you Misty.
 It would have been noticeable, since they saw her face apparently too.
 The neck muscles would not support her head and Smithman was going down hill I believe. Like a newish baby the head would need supporting, as it would flop about, as would her arms and legs. You wouldn't take a new  baby out down a road with only legs and back supported.
If it was after RM then it would have been impossible to get her into that positioning.

[pathfinder73]

Ask the dogs Anna! RM takes 3 hours to start.

He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position. Questioned, says that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was in a deep sleep. The child has blonde medium-hued hair, without being very light. Her skin was very white, typical of a Brit. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, also the opinion shared by his family. (MS)

She did not see the child's face because she was lying against the individual's left shoulder in a vertical position against the individual. She appeared to be sleeping. Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck. (AS)

About 35 years, or older. He was somewhat tanned as a result of sun exposure. Average build, in good shape. Short hair, brown in colour. She had blonde hair, of medium shade, not very light. Her skin was white, typically British. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep, having closed eyelids. Questioned, states that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was sleeping deeply. (MS)

[Anna]

Ask the dogs Anna! RM takes 3 hours to start.

He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position. Questioned, says that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was in a deep sleep. The child has blonde medium-hued hair, without being very light. Her skin was very white, typical of a Brit. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, also the opinion shared by his family. (MS)

She did not see the child's face because she was lying against the individual's left shoulder in a vertical position against the individual. She appeared to be sleeping. Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck. (AS)

About 35 years, or older. He was somewhat tanned as a result of sun exposure. Average build, in good shape. Short hair, brown in colour. She had blonde hair, of medium shade, not very light. Her skin was white, typically British. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep, having closed eyelids. Questioned, states that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was sleeping deeply. (MS)

I would have asked the dogs PFF if I had known they were experts in the carrying of a dead body and the signs associated with a dead body as posted by Misty.
RM does not take 3 hours in a child in a hot climate. It depends on body fat and muscle.
Her eyes were closed stated MS, which means he saw her face which he said was typically white as of a british child (or words to that effect)  not grey or blue! The man the Smith family saw, was not carrying a dead child IMO

[Alfred R Jones]

I would have asked the dogs PFF if I had known they were experts in the carrying of a dead body and the signs associated with a dead body as posted by Misty.
RM does not take 3 hours in a child in a hot climate. It depends on body fat and muscle.
Her eyes were closed stated MS, which means he saw her face which he said was typically white as of a british child (or words to that effect)  not grey or blue! The man the Smith family saw, was not carrying a dead child IMO

Agreed. I would think the man would have been supporting her head with his hand if she were dead so it wasn't flopping all over the place.

[Anna]

Agreed. I would think the man would have been supporting her head with his hand if she were dead so it wasn't flopping all over the place.

That was the point I was trying to make Alfred. If it was a dead child it would have been easier and less obvious, if he carried her as Tannerman did, or concealing the body with a wrap around blanket. Neither of those was adopted, so that child was alive.IMO

[Alice Purjorick]

Physical changes

At the time of death, a condition called "primary flaccidity" occurs. Following this, the muscles stiffen in rigor mortis. All muscles in the body are affected. Starting between two to six hours following death, rigor mortis begins with the eyelids, neck, and jaw. The sequence may be due to different lactic acid levels among different muscles, which is directly related to the difference in glycogen levels and different types of muscle fibers. Rigor mortis then spreads to the other muscles within the next four to six hours, including the internal organs. The onset of rigor mortis is affected by the individual's age, sex, physical condition, and muscular build. Rigor mortis may not be perceivable in many infant and child corpses due to their smaller muscle mass.

I thought the day was reportedly cold?

[Alfred R Jones]

That was the point I was trying to make Alfred. If it was a dead child it would have been easier and less obvious, if he carried her as Tannerman did, or concealing the body with a wrap around blanket. Neither of those was adopted, so that child was alive.IMO

Yup, I think so too.

[pathfinder73]

Physical changes

At the time of death, a condition called "primary flaccidity" occurs. Following this, the muscles stiffen in rigor mortis. All muscles in the body are affected. Starting between two to six hours following death, rigor mortis begins with the eyelids, neck, and jaw. The sequence may be due to different lactic acid levels among different muscles, which is directly related to the difference in glycogen levels and different types of muscle fibers. Rigor mortis then spreads to the other muscles within the next four to six hours, including the internal organs. The onset of rigor mortis is affected by the individual's age, sex, physical condition, and muscular build. Rigor mortis may not be perceivable in many infant and child corpses due to their smaller muscle mass.

I thought the day was reportedly cold?

Still looking for PDL weather.

Weather History for Faro, Portugal - 3 MAY 2007

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/LPFR/2007/5/3/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Lagos&req_state=&req_statename=Portugal

[Alfred R Jones]

Gosh, it was windy that afternoon / evening wasn't it?

[Alfred R Jones]

Oh hang on, that's Faro data - 88 km away, so not entirely accurate for PdL then.

[Anna]

Temp and wind . Not cold, but chilly wind in a downward direction as Pegasus said.......If coming down the chimney it  might cause the door to slam. Notice how the wind direction changed at 22hrs approx.

[sadie]

Anyone know what happened to the Climatic conditions that i posted (twice) ?  They seem to have been whooshed.  Cant think that anyone would wipe facts tho.  If you find them pls could you post them for me too?

Mine include moon phases and barometric pressure and

Were for both nearby Lagos and Faro



May I suggest that we have a repository for facts like these?

[Anna]

Anyone know what happened to the Climatic conditions that i posted (twice) ?  They seem to have been whooshed.  Cant think that anyone would wipe facts tho.  If you find them pls could you post them for me too?

Mine include moon phases and barometric pressure and

Were for both nearby Lagos and Faro



May I suggest that we have a repository for facts like these?

I cant find the posts either Sadie, are these any good

http://www.eurometeo.com/english/ephem
http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Faro_Aeroporto/05-2007/85540.htm#
http://www.timeanddate.com/moon/portugal/faro?month=5&year=2007

[Anna]

Children abducted and taken through streets.................This one is in china and although not witnessed on the streets the abductor was seen on CCTV carrying the child up the alleyway that leads to her/his home.......Not caught!

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/07/kidnapped-and-sold-inside-the-dark-world-of-child-trafficking-in-china/278107/

[sadie]

I cant find the posts either Sadie, are these any good

http://www.eurometeo.com/english/ephem
http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Faro_Aeroporto/05-2007/85540.htm#
http://www.timeanddate.com/moon/portugal/faro?month=5&year=2007

Thank you Anna

The middle one is good altho it doesn't show the same data as mine did.  Maybe the one of mine that showed the 20mph gusts was at Lagos?  One of mine was at Lagos and the other at Faro Airport

Mine also showed tide times, moonrise etc