Are there other cases of an abductor carrying a child through streets?

[Alfred R Jones]

Wasn't there a case of a child abducted from a tent in her back garden?  How often has that happened?  Name one other instance of a child being abducted from a tent in her back garden and murdered.  If you can't then obviously it can't have happened.  Is that the rationale of this thread?

[Alfred R Jones]

Was there ever another case of an intruder entering a girls' dormitory and raping and murdering his victim while her school friends slept on in the same room oblivious?  Surely it's impossible as I can only think of one instance of this happening. 

[pathfinder73]

All cases are different because individuals are involved - people and circumstances are different! Past cases may be a useful tool but every case is unique and that's the approach you must take. Why would he open carry? Too risky for a planned abduction. This would be last resort.

[Carana]

No-one has posted any case ever in Europe where an abductor (or an occulter) carried a victim through the streets openly in his arms.
That's a challenge - peeps here have good research skills - how come no-one here can find a single case?

What do you mean by an "occulter"?

[Carana]

All cases are different because individuals are involved - people and circumstances are different! Past cases may be a useful tool but every case is unique and that's the approach you must take. Why would he open carry? Too risky for a planned abduction. This would be last resort.

I agree with the first part. Concerning "why would he open carry", is that based on the assumption that Smithman was carrying her?

If so:

I would have thought that a car waiting or parked nearby would be more characteristic of a planned abduction.

However, I agree with Sadie that a possibility is that a driver wasn't where he/she was expected to be and a detour had to be taken or an alternative solution had to be found.

Another possibility might be that it was someone who just didn't care if he was noticed (not a planned abduction).

A third is that Smithman is a red herring - possibly another innocent dad / uncle / older cousin /brother. That, of course, raises the issue of why the person hadn't come forward. Perhaps he had at the time and it got drowned out in the general chaos. Or simply hadn't followed the case. Or had personal reasons not to risk either the police or the media.

[ferryman]

Wasn't there a case of a child abducted from a tent in her back garden?  How often has that happened?  Name one other instance of a child being abducted from a tent in her back garden and murdered.  If you can't then obviously it can't have happened.  Is that the rationale of this thread?

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/30-moments-shook-north-wales-6141337

Key sentence from the article:

Nothing quite like it has happened before or since.

[Alfred R Jones]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/30-moments-shook-north-wales-6141337

Key sentence from the article:

Nothing quite like it has happened before or since.

I note the article says he carried her away, so there you go.

[stephen25000]

I note the article says he carried her away, so there you go.

Pray tell, what case iron evidence is there that Madeleine was abducted, let alone someone carried her away in the street, open to view ?

[sadie]

And let's not forget the poor little girl who was stolen from her bath whilst her family were in the next room


How often has this happened?


Utter tosh to say that because it hasn't happened before, proves that it didn't happen this time around.

[ferryman]

And let's not forget the poor little girl who was stolen from her bath whilst her family were in the next room


How often has this happened?


Utter tosh to say that because it hasn't happened before, proves that it didn't happen this time around.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6068862.stm

[pegasus]

In the Australian case, the perp carried along a heavily wooded dirt track, not along 400m of public streets.
In the Willington Quay case, IMO the perp carried only to his car, not along 400m of public streets.
In the Welsh case, the route was an overgrown bridle path, not 400m of public streets, (and one witness said a sack was used).

Can anyone find a case of either type where the perp carried openly along public streets?

[sadie]

In the Australian case, the perp carried along a heavily wooded dirt track, not along 400m of public streets.
In the Willington Quay case, IMO the perp carried only to his car, not along 400m of public streets.
In the Welsh case, the route was an overgrown bridle path, not 400m of public streets, (and one witness said a sack was used).

Can anyone find a case of either type where the perp carried openly along public streets?

What's the importance of it Pegasus?

Can you find another case of a stranger coming into a flat with the family there and stealing a little girl from her bath?


Many crimes follow tried and tested patterns, but other break the mold and dont follow exact patterns.


I have given a perfectly valid reason why an abductor wanting to be whooshed away in a car/van had to leg it.  The van driver took fright and scarpered leaving the abductor in the lurch.

[valeria]

Reading this topic i remembered a case that happened in Athens few years ago.
A woman stole a newborn from a maternity hospital in order to present it like hers. The abduction took place late at night. The woman hid the babe under her blouse but once she managed to left the hospital unnoticed she  carried the child openly in her arms found a taxi and went home. All she did was to remove the hospital identification bracelet.It was a neighbour that saw her and alerted the police after he had heard about the abduction on the news.The child was found and handed over to parents.

[Carana]

Reading this topic i remembered a case that happened in Athens few years ago.
A woman stole a newborn from a maternity hospital in order to present it like hers. The abduction took place late at night. The woman hid the babe under her blouse but once she managed to left the hospital unnoticed she  carried the child openly in her arms found a taxi and went home. All she did was to remove the hospital identification bracelet.It was a neighbour that saw her and alerted the police after he had heard about the abduction on the news.The child was found and handed over to parents.

Thanks, Valeria. Just because such cases don't hit the international headlines doesn't mean that such cases don't occur.

[pegasus]

Reading this topic i remembered a case that happened in Athens few years ago.
A woman stole a newborn from a maternity hospital in order to present it like hers. The abduction took place late at night. The woman hid the babe under her blouse but once she managed to left the hospital unnoticed she  carried the child openly in her arms found a taxi and went home. All she did was to remove the hospital identification bracelet.It was a neighbour that saw her and alerted the police after he had heard about the abduction on the news.The child was found and handed over to parents.

Thanks Valaria. If you have a link to the greek news article please post it. As you say, the woman did not openly carry at first but instead hid the baby under her blouse.