Are there other cases of an abductor carrying a child through streets?

[pathfinder73]

Some very good point above Anna 

Of course as you say, she wouldn't have thought it important enough to mention.  It was just a child being carried by his dad, she thought at the time.

But on realizing that it was almost certain to have been Madeleine she saw being carried, the memories all came flooding back along with dread.

I am surprised that you cant see that PFinder.   Unless you dont want to?

I've been through this a thousand times. SY have investigated this sighting. You don't carry a 4 year old in that way. Crecheman was carrying a younger lighter child in that way. Smithman had a different carrying style for an older child. Simples! The window was closed when he was seen. So who opened the window Sadie?

[Anna]

On Topic

This man would have carried the child down the street, if not stopped by Dad

http://www.kidspot.com.au/every-parents-worst-nightmare-dad-saves-5-year-old-from-kidnapper/

[pegasus]

On Topic

This man would have carried the child down the street, if not stopped by Dad

http://www.kidspot.com.au/every-parents-worst-nightmare-dad-saves-5-year-old-from-kidnapper/

Question 1.
The girl in that Utah case was shouting "no no no".
Why was the girl carried by smithman silent?

Question 2.
In that Utah case (and probably in 99% of abduction cases) the number of perps is one.
Why do PDL abduction theorists ignore that statistic and instead insist on the unrealistic idea of a gang of two or more perps?

[sadie]

I've been through this a thousand times. SY have investigated this sighting. You don't carry a 4 year old in that way. Crecheman was carrying a younger lighter child in that way. Smithman had a different carrying style for an older child. Simples! The window was closed when he was seen. So who opened the window Sadie?

Madfeleine was a light child.  Not very tall for a three, yes almost four year old, and pretty fine boned.

It is my opinion that she was handed over to Tannerman by the lifter in that lying position.  The position she was lying in. in / on the bed.   She was drugged and scooped up, then passed to Tannerman.  Only my opinion.

He was only intending to walk as far as the "drive in" area of block 5 car park ... and then be picked up, so he never shifted her position in his arms.  The pick up failed to arrive.
You bet he shifted her position later tho as she got heavy in that position.  OMO again



The window was probably opened by the lifter, but could have been opened from outside <<< more difficult, but possible as Heriberto Janosch  shows in his video.

All theory, both yours and mine, but I think mine fits better and I cant see any flaws in it.  Can you ?

[sadie]

I've been through this a thousand times. SY have investigated this sighting. You don't carry a 4 year old in that way. Crecheman was carrying a younger lighter child in that way. Smithman had a different carrying style for an older child. Simples! The window was closed when he was seen. So who opened the window Sadie?

Which window was closed ?  When ?   Please can you clarify?

[pegasus]

... I think mine fits better and I cant see any flaws in it.  Can you ?

Maybe you can you post a few examples of other cases where an escape car fails to turn up?

[Anna]

Question 1.
The girl in that Utah case was shouting "no no no".
Why was the girl carried by smithman silent?

Question 2.
In that Utah case (and probably in 99% of abduction cases) the number of perps is one.
Why do PDL abduction theorists ignore that statistic and instead insist on the unrealistic idea of a gang of two or more perps?

1 We don't know that, but could be asleep with her father carrying her, if the Smith family sighting.
Drugged or knew the person carrying her is another possibility for her being quiet.
The other possibility we know about, but if that was the case, it would be impossible to carry the child in the way that Smithman did.
2. Depends on whether it was a planned abduction or not

[Wonderfulspam]

1 We don't know that, but could be asleep with her father carrying her, if the Smith family sighting.
Drugged or knew the person carrying her is another possibility for her being quiet.
The other possibility we know about, but if that was the case, it would be impossible to carry the child in the way that Smithman did.2. Depends on whether it was a planned abduction or not

Why would it be impossible?

[Anna]

Why would it be impossible?

I really do not want to go into details, WS, but Madeleine was bigger than the twins for a start.
The laws of gravity would have been a problem for a fast walking man with only a hand on her back and another on her legs whether in RM or before. Sleep is different as muscles still support your neck etc.
Too floppy or too stiff is what I am trying to say.

[Wonderfulspam]

I really do not want to go into details, WS, but Madeleine was bigger than the twins for a start.
The laws of gravity would have been a problem for a fast walking man with only a hand on her back and another on her legs whether in RM or before. Sleep is different as muscles still support your neck etc.
Too floppy or too stiff is what I am trying to say.

That's because it's not actually impossible, you'd just prefer it if it were.

[Anna]

That's because it's not actually impossible, you'd just prefer it if it were.

Yes I would prefer that Maddie was still alive, wouldn't  you?
As to carrying a child that size in the way Smithman was carrying her, if she was not alive......Nah!
It is against the laws of gravity.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes I would prefer that Maddie was still alive, wouldn't  you?
As to carrying a child that size in the way Smithman was carrying her, if she was not alive......Nah!
It is against the laws of gravity.

Yes, that would be lovely, but it's bleedin obvious she ain't.

'Against the laws of gravity', my arse.

Her head was on his shoulder & her arms by her side.

How exactly does that defy gravity?

[Anna]

Yes, that would be lovely, but it's bleedin obvious she ain't.

'Against the laws of gravity', my arse.

Her head was on his shoulder & her arms by her side.

How exactly does that defy gravity?

I didn't expect you to understand and I do not have the time to explain it further.

[Wonderfulspam]

I didn't expect you to understand and I do not have the time to explain it further.

You can't, because it doesn't.

[misty]

The following is a copy/paste of an article called "The 26 Stages of Death", the original of which is located at http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com
*snip*
Moment of Death:
1} The heart stops
2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
3} All the muscles relax
4} The bladder and bowels empty
5} The body's temperature will typically drop 1.5 degrees F. per hour unless outside environment is a factor. The liver is the organ that stays warmest the longest, and this temperature is used to establish time of death if the body is found within that time frame.
After 30 minutes:
6} The skin gets purple and waxy
7} The lips, finger- and toe nails fade to a pale color or turn white as the blood leaves.
8} Blood pools at the lowest parts of the body leaving a dark purple-black stain called lividity
9} The hands and feet turn blue {because of lack of oxygenation to the tissues}
10} The eyes start to sink into the skull

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The child the Smiths allegedly saw had bare feet, which, due to the way she was being carried must have been the most visible & lower-most parts of her body. None of the Smiths recalled a strange-coloured skin-tone which may have indicated the child was dead.