Was there a vehicle in the car park outside Madeleine's bedroom window?

[slartibartfast]

I've got the wrong word, haven't I? 


Soz

... I obviously dont know the correct expression for something that is currently being worked on by the police that might indict a suspect.

Sub judice means a matter currently before a court.

Not sure if there is such an expression for something being looked at as part of a police investigation.

[sadie]

Sub judice means a matter currently before a court.

Not sure if there is such an expression for something being looked at as part of a police investigation.

Thanks Slarti

well, I will try and remember to say pre - sub judice in future.

You will know then that it is being,, or possibly being, considered by the police.

OK ?

[slartibartfast]

Thanks Slarti

well, I will try and remember to say pre - sub judice in future.

You will know then that it is being,, or possibly being, considered by the police.

OK ?

So you are of the opinion that information passed to the police should not be made public?

[misty]

Btw, the photo you originally showed Misty. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5581.0;attach=4518;image



The one which has mysteriously vanished, when viewed from the angle you show, the front Exit (door?) cannot even be seen.  It is tucked away in the recess totally out of sight.





How did she see that, if she was referring to the front door?


Fingers crossed that the image stays.  Here atm, gone in 10 seconds ?

I believe Maria was referring to the exit of the car-park, rather than the front door.
If you watch the Pamela Fenn video, you can see that the end of the car is approx. level with the higher level of greenery against the wall running parallel to 5a. Compare that to the photo of the car park, then I think you will agree Maria would have been able to see most of the grey car if it was parked in the corner.

[sadie]

So you are of the opinion that information passed to the police should not be made public?

Yep, if it is of the sort that might constructively point to someone.

Yep definitely


Do you not agree?

[Brietta]

Misty,

By the time she got there she was well past the window. She would have to have been looking backwards, not even sideways, but backwards.

People dont do that unless there is some special reason.

At that stage she had no known reason for looking backwards.

And I repeat,
People generally look forwards, the way they are moving  especially in the dark ... unless there is something happening or there is unusual light.


She possibly would have been able to see 4A well in her periferel vision.



I think she got 5A and 4A mixed up.

Perhaps there was a subliminal reason which didn’t register at the time. 
There was possibly movement which she caught out of the corner of her eye which caused her to turn to take a better look.
Maybe it was the trees swaying in the breeze or someone melting into the shadows?

[Alice Purjorick]

Was there a vehicle in the car park outside Madeleine's bedroom window?

Well a car in a car park is mighty unusual and is indeed very very suspicious.

[misty]

Was there a vehicle in the car park outside Madeleine's bedroom window?

Well a car in a car park is mighty unusual and is indeed very very suspicious.

How many residents in that block had cars, apart from Mrs Fenn? Many of the apartments were unoccupied that week.
Surely one of the questions asked of the checkers should have been regarding any vehicles they saw parked there that night? Instead - no, only the timeline mattered. Nothing else.

[sadie]

Was there a vehicle in the car park outside Madeleine's bedroom window?

Well a car in a car park is mighty unusual and is indeed very very suspicious.

When I was there in mid 2010, [june or July] there wasn't a single car in that car park every time I looked, which was several times over three days.  That covered after dark as well as daylight hours.

This year about 5 weeks ago there were 2 or 3 on the one visit I made.

[Anna]

Perhaps there was a subliminal reason which didn’t register at the time. 
There was possibly movement which she caught out of the corner of her eye which caused her to turn to take a better look.
Maybe it was the trees swaying in the breeze or someone melting into the shadows?

......Or the fact that they were travelling in an Opel Montera, which is as high as our Range Rover was and you would see over that wall from the high seat easy.

[pegasus]

Yes that night there was a small grey car parked level with the front door.
There are photos of it.
This confirms what the witnesses who drove past said is true.
@Anna you found same car at a later date in a different position.
Nothing suspicious about this car at all.

[slartibartfast]

Yep, if it is of the sort that might constructively point to someone.

Yep definitely


Do you not agree?

Yes, a bit like the dossier really.

[misty]

Where was Mrs Fenn's car when Maria da Silva noticed that little grey car in the car park?

[pegasus]

Where was Mrs Fenn's car when Maria da Silva noticed that little grey car in the car park?

On north side of carpark as in video taken days later.

From road the witnesses see only cars on south side of carpark where the small grey one was (and still was next day, behind the ribbons with a GNR van, it is not relevant).

ETA photo 4th May

[Brietta]

On north side of carpark as in video taken days later.

From road the witnesses see only cars on south side of carpark where the small grey one was (and still was next day, behind the ribbons with a GNR van, it is not relevant).

ETA photo 4th May

I think the vehicle seen might have indeed been Mrs Fenn's, but that can only be speculation because there is no record of it being confirmed as hers.
Is the vehicle in the clip the same make and model as hers?  Otherwise it could belong to someone connected to the investigation eg. the forensics team.   

Stephen Carpenter is the only other person apart from Maria da Silva, as far as I know, who has mentioned vehicles in the area at the relevant time.

Misty wonders in her opening post why the PJ didn't seem to be interested in asking all the witnesses direct questions about what vehicles they may have seen.
It seems such an obvious question to ask it is very surprising it no-one bothered to ask it and it is surely a serious omission.

*snip*
When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm