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Offline misty

Perhaps people would care to speculate as to how the investigation would have developed had the McCanns been obliged by work/financial commitments to return to the UK within a week or so of Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you think that the PJ would have tried to develop evidence against the parents in the same fashion 3 months down the line or would the investigation have been quietly scaled right back & quickly shelved?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2014, 06:24:23 PM »
Perhaps people would care to speculate as to how the investigation would have developed had the McCanns been obliged by work/financial commitments to return to the UK within a week or so of Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you think that the PJ would have tried to develop evidence against the parents in the same fashion 3 months down the line or would the investigation have been quietly scaled right back & quickly shelved?

An interesting question.

I still think The PJ wanted The McCanns out of Portugal.  So if they had left early then there would have been no hire car, no clothes. no imaginary dreams.  Nothing much at all, in fact.

Offline TitoMuzzy

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2014, 08:43:37 PM »


I still think The PJ wanted The McCanns out of Portugal.  So if they had left early then there would have been no hire car, no clothes. no imaginary dreams.  Nothing much at all, in fact.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever !

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2014, 08:55:49 PM »
An interesting question.

I still think The PJ wanted The McCanns out of Portugal.  So if they had left early then there would have been no hire car, no clothes. no imaginary dreams.  Nothing much at all, in fact.

Strangely enough I agree with you, IMO they were keen to be free to get on with the investigation without distractions.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2014, 09:02:40 PM »
Strangely enough I agree with you, IMO they were keen to be free to get on with the investigation without distractions.

Who?  The PJ?  That makes sense.

Offline Brietta

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2014, 09:04:36 PM »
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever !

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Why not just say … I disagree with what you say because … and give an alternative viewpoint?


« Last Edit: November 01, 2014, 12:54:34 PM by Angelo222 »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2014, 11:26:56 PM »
Strangely enough I agree with you, IMO they were keen to be free to get on with the investigation without distractions.


Indeed Slart. I believe that also. I found the nasty tongue lashing the PJ got was disgraceful. They were expected to run around the world and investigate every 'sighting' ,every story- whilst the new millionaires did the 'networking' with the good and the great...

You may disagree with the post, that’s your prerogative.

Why not just say … I disagree with what you say because … and give an alternative viewpoint?

Absolutely no need for such rudeness …
absolutely no excuse for such rudeness …



Bit like pot calling the kettle black!  you disagree with me and accuse me of being a paedophile supporter. Which showed you up- you lost the plot dearie.

Take your own advice, if you don't like posters expressing their free will  don't read their material. Simples!

Has anyone got a copy of Breetta chastizing Aflo and Davel?  No? Oh dear!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Carana

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2014, 11:08:24 AM »
Perhaps people would care to speculate as to how the investigation would have developed had the McCanns been obliged by work/financial commitments to return to the UK within a week or so of Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you think that the PJ would have tried to develop evidence against the parents in the same fashion 3 months down the line or would the investigation have been quietly scaled right back & quickly shelved?

A very thought-provoking question, Misty.  8((()*/

IMO,

- The media presence in PdL might have dropped off sooner, but Lori Campbell's splash about Murat (and the interest in Malinka at the time) would have kept the media there after the McCanns had gone. Both of them might have been hassled by the media even more than they already were without the McCanns to provide frequent photos for their media pieces.

- Unless the McCanns felt that they could be kept fully informed by the UK FLOs, they would probably still have found the means to return on occasion to request updates, so the media would have been rushing over each time as well.

- Watching police movements to cover those angles would probably still have led to the splash about long "boozy" lunches, which would still have disgruntled the police and stirred anti-UK sentiment.

- Amaral never got beyond the fact that there was no visible sign of forced entry. The family's initial assumption that the windows had been jemmied was considered as "proof" of a faked abduction. He still wouldn't have considered the possibility of a duplicate key or entry with a tool smaller than a full-sized credit card, nor even the possibility of entry/exit via the patio door.

- He would still have been convinced that there was a suspicious connection between Jane Tanner and Murat (Murat's relative had a house in Exeter and JT/Russ had just moved there, ergo they must have known each other, despite the fact that it is a city with a population of well over 100k; and because two people of the same haplotypes were found in a Burgau flat). He would still have been convinced that Jane invented the Tannerman sighting and falsely identified Murat (which she never did, but anyway).

- The Smith family would probably still have reported having seen a man carrying a child and may still have gone back over to make statements and show the PJ exactly where they saw him. However, there may well have been less of a media fuss highlighting the McCanns coming down the plane steps as they wouldn't have been arguidos, and so Martin Smith may never have had that sudden doubt.

- If the McCanns had gone home, would the UK police involvement would have been different? If it had been the same, Amaral may still have erupted. Would he have still been booted off the case? Possibly, although I'm not convinced that his rant against the UK police was the only reason. The extensive embarrassing leaks might have been a factor, and there would have been fewer half-truths to flutter out of PJ windows.

- Would the initial PJ team still have drip-fed half-baked theories and half-truths to the PT media? Quite probably, but not as many. The lurid stories about what was allegedly found as "evidence" of a dead body in the Scenic wouldn't have seen the light of day, although they may have invented others.

- If they hadn't been in the villa, there wouldn't have been bizarre suspicions about "restricted" CEOP booklets (which, if he'd checked, he might have noticed were not restricted at all and are freely available for download on the Internet), amongst other things.

- If the dogs had come over anyway, they would have still searched Murat's place, 5A and the McCanns' second apartment. The fact that Eddie barked in 5A would still have convinced him that she'd died there and that therefore the McCanns were involved. It is therefore likely that they would still have been made arguidos.

He wouldn't have been able to convince himself that she had been transported in the Scenic (as it wouldn't have been rented) and he might even have had to discard his fridge theory, although that's not certain. There would have been no strange dog inspection of clothes in the gym, nor of CuddleCat in the villa.

On the other hand, if it hadn't been such a high profile case, I wonder if the dogs would have come over at all. Possibly, if Harrison had still offered to help review the previous searches and offer a new perspective.

If the dogs hadn't come over, then there would have been no "evidence", flimsy as it was, to make the McCanns arguidos.

- As Murat would probably have been an arguido anyway, and Amaral didn't seem to have been actively investigating anyone else beyond the parents / T7, Murat would either have to have been charged within six months or the investigation shelved. As there was no evidence against him, it would have been shelved... providing he wasn't given the slippery stair treatment.

If Murat had somehow been coerced into a "confession" with a staged reconstruction, he might have ended up in jail for something he didn't do and the McCanns would never have been able to push for the case to be reviewed, let alone reopened.

- Again, with fewer half-truths for the initial PJ team to leak about the McCanns, e.g., what the dog alerts meant and the garbled understanding of forensics, Amaral may not have been booted off the case. He might have been left ruminating over seafood dinners about his latest successful investigation.

He might, in fact, have been made head of Faro...

Meanwhile, Madeleine would still be missing... with no hope of ever being found.


Offline Carana

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2014, 07:44:35 PM »
I find that Misty asked an interesting question, totally on topic, which got drowned out.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5513.msg196899#msg196899


Misty's question was:
Perhaps people would care to speculate as to how the investigation would have developed had the McCanns been obliged by work/financial commitments to return to the UK within a week or so of Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you think that the PJ would have tried to develop evidence against the parents in the same fashion 3 months down the line or would the investigation have been quietly scaled right back & quickly shelved?

ferryman

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2014, 07:51:02 PM »
I find that Misty asked an interesting question, totally on topic, which got drowned out.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5513.msg196899#msg196899


Misty's question was:
Perhaps people would care to speculate as to how the investigation would have developed had the McCanns been obliged by work/financial commitments to return to the UK within a week or so of Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you think that the PJ would have tried to develop evidence against the parents in the same fashion 3 months down the line or would the investigation have been quietly scaled right back & quickly shelved?

It is an interesting question.

I'm not sure that the progress of the investigation would have been much different whether the McCanns had been in Portugal or England.

But there may be some nuance I've missed ...

Offline Brietta

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2014, 08:00:39 PM »
I find that Misty asked an interesting question, totally on topic, which got drowned out.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5513.msg196899#msg196899


Misty's question was:
Perhaps people would care to speculate as to how the investigation would have developed had the McCanns been obliged by work/financial commitments to return to the UK within a week or so of Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you think that the PJ would have tried to develop evidence against the parents in the same fashion 3 months down the line or would the investigation have been quietly scaled right back & quickly shelved?

If they had gone home and kept a low profile, perhaps making one or two appeals for information, I am convinced that the PJ would have slowly scaled back on the investigation and the ripples in Portugal would have matched the ripples in Greece when Ben went missing.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2014, 08:07:01 PM »
If they had gone home and kept a low profile, perhaps making one or two appeals for information, I am convinced that the PJ would have slowly scaled back on the investigation and the ripples in Portugal would have matched the ripples in Greece when Ben went missing.

Well, let's see, the McCanns went home shortly after being made arguidos in September 2007 and the first investigation was shelved (I think, in accordance with Portuguese law) almost exactly a year later.

So I'm not sure about that.

I suppose there is the argument that, the McCanns having been declared arguidos, the PJ was obliged to keep on ...

Offline John

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2014, 12:30:05 AM »
Perhaps people would care to speculate as to how the investigation would have developed had the McCanns been obliged by work/financial commitments to return to the UK within a week or so of Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you think that the PJ would have tried to develop evidence against the parents in the same fashion 3 months down the line or would the investigation have been quietly scaled right back & quickly shelved?

A very interesting point misty.  It is really difficult to know how any of it would have played out. 

* Would Amaral have insisted on a reconstitution?
* Would Amaral been taken off the case?
* Would Murat and the McCanns been made arguidos?
* Would the case have been shelved much earlier?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Eleanor

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2014, 01:46:09 AM »

But so much of it would have been lost to The PJ.  No hire car.  No clothes.  No trips or opportunities to dispose of the corpse on the second occasion.  No lurid tales at all.

Just 5A.  Would The PJ have bothered to bring Eddie and Keela in at all?

Offline misty

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2014, 02:44:33 AM »
But so much of it would have been lost to The PJ.  No hire car.  No clothes.  No trips or opportunities to dispose of the corpse on the second occasion.  No lurid tales at all.

Just 5A.  Would The PJ have bothered to bring Eddie and Keela in at all?

IMO It would all depend on who orchestrated the disappearance as to whether the PJ pursued the investigation in the same fashion.
Sometimes I wonder if it was just meant to be a baby Daniel Abreu scenario, which then got out of hand.