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Offline misty

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2014, 02:37:23 AM »
Strange, I have had exactly the same thoughts.

I have wondered.

I am torn 3 ways in my theories, Sadie. It all depends on the motivation of the orchestrator.

Offline sadie

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2014, 09:53:43 AM »
I am torn 3 ways in my theories, Sadie. It all depends on the motivation of the orchestrator.

Because of what I believe I have found out about what happened afterwards, I am virtually certain there was an abduction.  [Afterwards = Not talking about what happened on May 3rd., but after that.]

As to whether there was some pressure put upon some senior guys within the PJ, that is another matter.  We dont know.


I also have a question mark in my mind . 
Are they all members of some Organisation that has a dark side ?

I am thinking an Organisation that has proved itself very efficient, worldwide, at getting its members into high / top positions within important services such as Police, Government, Intelligence, Law, Media, Church, Universities, etc.  [The positions that run and influence the Countries.involved]. 

An Organisation that appears white and bone fide on the outside, but has a definite money making dark side.


There are quite a number of Organisations that could fit that bill.

Offline Eleanor

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2014, 10:13:38 AM »

As far as I can see, there simply wouldn't have been the opportunities to manufacture all of the lies and myths surrounding this case.
And if Amaral had decided to write about it he would have been hard pushed to produce a Booklet.

However, I do understand why The McCanns stayed.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2014, 10:59:32 AM »
If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...

They didn't so guess away...
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline pegasus

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2014, 12:07:34 PM »
You can understand the azuremare hypothesis - it must have rankled that one opportunist made quite a lot of cash whilst the other was left with his reputation on the brink......and the timing of the disappearance is such a coincidence.
I think envy is going to play a major part in solving the crime.
I'm anti anyone corrupt in institutions which are paid to serve & protect the public, and that includes the PJ, although I accept that corruption is sometimes the only way to achieve a greater good.
No not me, I can not understand why it was invented, it amazes me that anyone was back then in 2009 so desperate as to concoct such rubbish.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2014, 12:15:08 PM by pegasus »

Offline Eleanor

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2014, 12:24:41 PM »

Please can someone tell me what the Azuremare Hypothesis is?

Offline pegasus

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2014, 12:47:27 PM »
Please can someone tell me what the Azuremare Hypothesis is?
It was a ludicrous bit of guff which appeared around the time of the Oprah interview, it claims 2 people commited crimes so they could afterwards write books about them to make money. A deluded invention which lets down the pro side and I am surprised anyone supports it.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2014, 12:49:40 PM by pegasus »

Offline Eleanor

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2014, 12:55:43 PM »
It was a ludicrous bit of guff which appeared around the time of the Oprah interview, it claims 2 people commited crimes so they could afterwards write books about them to make money. A deluded invention which lets down the pro side and I am surprised anyone supports it.

Thank You.  A bit too far for me.  But I do believe that Investigations were tampered with by certain people to aid financial gain.

Offline Carana

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2014, 12:56:30 PM »
It was a ludicrous bit of guff which appeared around the time of the Oprah interview, it claims 2 people commited crimes so they could afterwards write books about them to make money. A deluded invention which lets down the pro side and I am surprised anyone supports it.

Thanks. I was about to ask as well as I'd never heard of that.

Offline pegasus

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2014, 01:43:47 PM »
Thank You.  A bit too far for me.  But I do believe that Investigations were tampered with by certain people to aid financial gain.
IMO all the officers (portuguese and british) in the pre-Oct-2nd investigation were dedicated and working hard to solve the case and your accusation against that hard-working PJ/LP/NPIA/MET team is unfair. How exactly do you think they tampered? And how do you think they financially gained? 

Offline Carana

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2014, 01:50:17 PM »
I just googled it and I found one reference.

Hmmm. The idea of active involvement in making these children disappear is too far-fetched for me.

That said:

- It is a fact that two children disappeared without trace and that former police officers then wrote books.

- I wouldn't exclude local corruption on the part of one or two "bad apples" after the events (WHOEVER they may be and in the sense of withholding potentially relevant information), but there doesn't appear to be anything to substantiate that at the moment.

- It does seem to be well established that numerous "leaks" came from the PJ, and that the media were quite happy to pay substantial sums for "infomation" wherever it came from (including local gossip).

Did all those "leaks" flutter out of the windows of the PT authorities for free (and not just in a financial sense)?



Offline Carana

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2014, 01:55:23 PM »
IMO all the officers (portuguese and british) in the pre-Oct-2nd investigation were dedicated and working hard to solve the case and your accusation against that hard-working PJ/LP/NPIA/MET team is unfair. How exactly do you think they tampered? And how do you think they financially gained?

Most probably were working as hard as they could with the resources at hand.

That doesn't exclude the odd "bad apple" though, does it? I don't have any particular individual in mind, it could be anyone who may have withheld information or sold on "leaks", or several.

Offline Eleanor

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2014, 01:58:53 PM »
IMO all the officers (portuguese and british) in the pre-Oct-2nd investigation were dedicated and working hard to solve the case and your accusation against that hard-working PJ/LP/NPIA/MET team is unfair. How exactly do you think they tampered? And how do you think they financially gained?

Someone was leaking to The Portuguese Press.  And someone was writing books.  But I suppose there is always a minute possibility that these things were being done for altruistic reasons.

Offline misty

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2014, 02:06:36 PM »
You don't sign a book deal if the subject matter could turn up dead or alive at any point before your deadline.

Offline jassi

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2014, 02:06:57 PM »
A number of people seem to have written books on the subject, not to mention a number of documentaries, all giving their own individual slant on what happened.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future