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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #120 on: November 24, 2014, 09:03:51 AM »

Really?  I thought that was exactly what most sceptics allege is what happened.  i.e.

1.  There was no abduction.

2.. That Madeleine died in the apartment on the 3rd May.

3.  That Gerry and Kate decided to dispose of her body and the rest of group readily agreed to be their accomplices by aiding and abetting them in covering up that heinous crime, without even a hint of conscience amongst the lot of them

That is the theory isn't it?

It would have to involve all 9, wouldn't it Ben.

It couldn't be just two faking & the rest duped, could it.

Yawn.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #121 on: November 24, 2014, 10:10:06 AM »
It would have to involve all 9, wouldn't it Ben.

It couldn't be just two faking & the rest duped, could it.

Yawn.

Gosh no! To destroy the "argument" one has to suggest all the others were involved then close ones mind to ........
well you know the rest!
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #122 on: November 24, 2014, 10:23:58 AM »
Gosh no! To destroy the "argument" one has to suggest all the others were involved then close ones mind to ........
well you know the rest!

It just had to involve all 9, didn't it.

There is absoloutely no way it couldn't, is there.

The mere suggestion of anything to the contrary is just ludicrous!

..............zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Offline faithlilly

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #123 on: November 24, 2014, 10:31:15 AM »
It just had to involve all 9, didn't it.

There is absoloutely no way it couldn't, is there.

The mere suggestion of anything to the contrary is just ludicrous!

..............zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just the 9 ? Hell no !!!

For there not to have been an abduction the conspiracy must include at least a whole government department and one or two ex-prime ministers ! Every sceptic knows that !!!
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #124 on: November 24, 2014, 10:35:19 AM »
Just the 9 ? Hell no !!!

For there not to have been an abduction the conspiracy must include at least a whole government department and one or two ex-prime ministers ! Every sceptic knows that !!!

Sheesh, yep, how could I forget, Gordon Brown & the illuminati!
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Offline Benice

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #125 on: November 24, 2014, 11:13:03 AM »
Well this is a turn up for the books - we actually have sceptics sneering at the nonsensical, widely held  beliefs of fellow sceptics  - and even listing them!

As someone who believes Madeleine was abducted by a stranger and has been arguing against those same ridiculous sceptic  'theories' (now being scoffed at) - for years  - I find that quite heartening. 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #126 on: November 24, 2014, 11:27:38 AM »
Well this is a turn up for the books - we actually have sceptics sneering at the nonsensical, widely held  beliefs of fellow sceptics  - and even listing them!

As someone who believes Madeleine was abducted by a stranger and has been arguing against those same ridiculous sceptic  'theories' (now being scoffed at) - for years  - I find that quite heartening.

Possibly you are missing the point Benny
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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #127 on: November 24, 2014, 11:45:19 AM »
Well this is a turn up for the books - we actually have sceptics sneering at the nonsensical, widely held  beliefs of fellow sceptics  - and even listing them!

As someone who believes Madeleine was abducted by a stranger and has been arguing against those same ridiculous sceptic  'theories' (now being scoffed at) - for years  - I find that quite heartening.

............and let's not forget, the biggest fable of them all.

'abduction'

Offline slartibartfast

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #128 on: November 24, 2014, 12:56:26 PM »

Really?  I thought that was exactly what most sceptics allege is what happened.  i.e.

1.  There was no abduction.

2.. That Madeleine died in the apartment on the 3rd May.

3.  That Gerry and Kate decided to dispose of her body and the rest of group readily agreed to be their accomplices by aiding and abetting them in covering up that heinous crime, without even a hint of conscience amongst the lot of them

That is the theory isn't it?

That is the one you are promoting.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #129 on: November 24, 2014, 02:24:56 PM »
God did say that it was ludicrous to suggest that the whole tapas group were involved in Madeleine's disappearance. Moving the goalposts. Incidentally Maddy was footy mad just like her parents.

“Maddy went from the poolside to a play area to have a game of football with Louie…………..she & Louie were kicking a football around in the play area for about an hour………." (Mrs. Boyd)

Louie Boyd couldn't believe that his new friend was so good at football. After all, she was only a girl.......

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Keesh.htm

« Last Edit: November 24, 2014, 02:34:59 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

stephen25000

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #130 on: November 24, 2014, 02:44:00 PM »
God did say that it was ludicrous to suggest that the whole tapas group were involved in Madeleine's disappearance. Moving the goalposts. Incidentally Maddy was footy mad just like her parents.

“Maddy went from the poolside to a play area to have a game of football with Louie…………..she & Louie were kicking a football around in the play area for about an hour………." (Mrs. Boyd)

Louie Boyd couldn't believe that his new friend was so good at football. After all, she was only a girl.......

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Keesh.htm



and never lose sight that km said Madeleine was her best friend.

Offline Benice

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #131 on: November 24, 2014, 03:22:51 PM »


Are you saying that it's not the general consensus amongst sceptics that Kate and Gerry disposed of their daughter's body and covered up that crime with the help of the other members of their group?
« Last Edit: November 24, 2014, 03:58:50 PM by Eleanor »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

ferryman

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #132 on: November 24, 2014, 04:00:29 PM »
Perhaps people would care to speculate as to how the investigation would have developed had the McCanns been obliged by work/financial commitments to return to the UK within a week or so of Madeleine's disappearance.
Do you think that the PJ would have tried to develop evidence against the parents in the same fashion 3 months down the line or would the investigation have been quietly scaled right back & quickly shelved?

1. The McCanns would have been berated for "fleeing justice", just as they were anyway, only more so.

2.  Grime would still have coaxed and cajoled a "reaction" out of Eddie in apartment 5a, but there would obviously have been no inspections at the villa.

And since the McCanns would have taken all their clothes with them, there would have been no "inspection", either, at the gym.

Vehicles?

Obviously there would have been no "inspection" of the Renault Scenic, and perhaps Grime would have stuck to Harrison's instruction that Murat's vehicles (hired or owned) only should be inspected.

Or perhaps the 6 others Harrison doffed his cap and took orders about would still have snuck in.

Who knows?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #133 on: November 24, 2014, 04:15:30 PM »

Are you saying that it's not the general consensus amongst sceptics that Kate and Gerry disposed of their daughter's body and covered up that crime with the help of the other members of their group?

Why did they need help? Were the others living in their apartment?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #134 on: November 24, 2014, 04:23:04 PM »
1. The McCanns would have been berated for "fleeing justice", just as they were anyway, only more so.

2.  Grime would still have coaxed and cajoled a "reaction" out of Eddie in apartment 5a, but there would obviously have been no inspections at the villa.

And since the McCanns would have taken all their clothes with them, there would have been no "inspection", either, at the gym.

Vehicles?

Obviously there would have been no "inspection" of the Renault Scenic, and perhaps Grime would have stuck to Harrison's instruction that Murat's vehicles (hired or owned) only should be inspected.

Or perhaps the 6 others Harrison doffed his cap and took orders about would still have snuck in.

Who knows?

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"What was the response what you opened the door and the trunk, sir?" Assistant Prosecutor Carin Goldfarb asked.

"There was a positive response -- the dog barked continuously," he said, adding that the dog didn't bark at any other cars.



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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.