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ferryman

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #135 on: November 24, 2014, 04:46:12 PM »
I suspect my reason for finding the d'Lane trial interesting is quite different from yours ...

Offline misty

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #136 on: November 24, 2014, 05:03:30 PM »
Here's your friend in court.

Martin Grime testifies at the murder trial of D'Andre Lane - in connection with the disappearance of his two-year-old daughter, Bianca Jones - after his cadaver dog 'Morse' detects a scent inside Lane's car (on the child's blanket and on a car seat), in the girl's bedroom and in Lane's home.



"He went underneath Mr. Lane's car then came out and barked ... like woof-woof-woof-woof-woof-woof-woof," Grime said, adding that he wasn't told that the silver Mercury was Lane's until after the search was complete.

"What was the response what you opened the door and the trunk, sir?" Assistant Prosecutor Carin Goldfarb asked.

"There was a positive response -- the dog barked continuously," he said, adding that the dog didn't bark at any other cars.



A Detroit father who covered up beating his daughter to death by claiming she had been abducted in a carjacking has been sentenced to life behind bars - while repeatedly insisting that she's still alive.

D'Andre Lane, 33, denied abusing and killing two-year-old Bianca Jones for wetting herself, and said there was no evidence of the charges against him.

Perhaps you would elaborate for the readers the circumstances under which the dog indicated cadaver odour on the car seat, P/F.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #137 on: November 24, 2014, 05:09:42 PM »
Please enlighten me as to why you think he's innocent and she was abducted. Just because he said so?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #138 on: November 24, 2014, 05:14:05 PM »
Who is your question addressed to?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #139 on: November 24, 2014, 05:17:21 PM »
It was to misty but anyone.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #140 on: November 24, 2014, 05:22:23 PM »
It was to misty but anyone.

OK.

Well, my answer is that my interest in the case has nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of D'Lane.

I rather suspect that even without the dog evidence (actually the right word, on this occasion) D'Lane would have been convicted.

And he has recently lost an appeal against that conviction.

Offline misty

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #141 on: November 24, 2014, 05:26:27 PM »
Please enlighten me as to why you think he's innocent and she was abducted. Just because he said so?

I wasn't questioning Lane's innocence or guilt. I asked you to elaborate, for the benefit of the readers, of the circumstances under which the cadaver dog indicated the contamination on the car seat.

ferryman

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #142 on: November 24, 2014, 05:28:54 PM »
I wasn't questioning Lane's innocence or guilt. I asked you to elaborate, for the benefit of the readers, of the circumstances under which the cadaver dog indicated the contamination on the car seat.

I know the answer, but I respect that you've addressed the question to pathfinder ...

Offline misty

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #143 on: November 24, 2014, 05:52:22 PM »
I know the answer, but I respect that you've addressed the question to pathfinder ...

Indeed I have, Ferryman - If he can fight his way out of that paper bag to answer it.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #144 on: November 24, 2014, 06:14:30 PM »
Read more here:

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id421.html

He said they then went to a Detroit Police Department evidence room, where investigators wrapped Bianca's car seat in brown paper and hid it in an office within a number of rooms.

Grime said there was no response during the first search, when the car seat was sealed inside the brown paper. He then asked officers to put a slit in the paper and move the car seat to another room.

"The second time, when the dog got close to the package, he put his nose in the package and gave a positive response," Grime said.

Investigators then set up a search in another warehouse using Bianca's blanket that had been in the car seat. Grime said the dog barked when it came across a brown paper bag on the floor with the blanket inside.

"Were you aware of where any of these items were going to be when Morse signaled on them?" Goldfarb asked.

"No," Grime said, adding that he can't force the dog to bark continuously and he never saw the actual car seat or blanket.

Grime said he then took Morse to Lane's house, where Morse sat and barked in Bianca's bedroom, close to the opening of a door-less closet.

"Have the results you've come up with ever been contradicted?" Judge Vonda Evans asked. He said no.

But Lane's attorney, Terry Johnson, raised questions about the dog's ability to detect decomposition during his cross-examination.

"You have no way of telling what Morse responded to at any location?" Johnson asked Grime.

"He gave us a positive response," Morse said. "The corroboration would normally be to find a cadaver or bone or blood that you can see."

"The dog did not give a positive response to the clothing worn by Mr. Lane, correct?" Johnson asked.

"No," Grime said.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #145 on: November 24, 2014, 06:31:24 PM »
Read more here:

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id421.html

He said they then went to a Detroit Police Department evidence room, where investigators wrapped Bianca's car seat in brown paper and hid it in an office within a number of rooms.

Grime said there was no response during the first search, when the car seat was sealed inside the brown paper. He then asked officers to put a slit in the paper and move the car seat to another room.

"The second time, when the dog got close to the package, he put his nose in the package and gave a positive response," Grime said.

Investigators then set up a search in another warehouse using Bianca's blanket that had been in the car seat. Grime said the dog barked when it came across a brown paper bag on the floor with the blanket inside.

"Were you aware of where any of these items were going to be when Morse signaled on them?" Goldfarb asked.

"No," Grime said, adding that he can't force the dog to bark continuously and he never saw the actual car seat or blanket.

Grime said he then took Morse to Lane's house, where Morse sat and barked in Bianca's bedroom, close to the opening of a door-less closet.

"Have the results you've come up with ever been contradicted?" Judge Vonda Evans asked. He said no.

But Lane's attorney, Terry Johnson, raised questions about the dog's ability to detect decomposition during his cross-examination.

"You have no way of telling what Morse responded to at any location?" Johnson asked Grime.

"He gave us a positive response," Morse said. "The corroboration would normally be to find a cadaver or bone or blood that you can see."

"The dog did not give a positive response to the clothing worn by Mr. Lane, correct?" Johnson asked.

"No," Grime said.

It is curious to read that the cadaver dog could not detect a cadaver-contaminated object in a brown paper bag  yet a trained dog could detect scent on a key buried in a  bucket of sand. Of course, we have no information if the bag was bog-standard brown paper, which is gas-permeable, or one treated with a wax/ plastic coating making it non-permeable.

ferryman

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #146 on: November 24, 2014, 07:38:07 PM »
It is curious to read that the cadaver dog could not detect a cadaver-contaminated object in a brown paper bag  yet a trained dog could detect scent on a key buried in a  bucket of sand. Of course, we have no information if the bag was bog-standard brown paper, which is gas-permeable, or one treated with a wax/ plastic coating making it non-permeable.

Grime said there was no response during the first search, when the car seat was sealed inside the brown paper. He then asked officers to put a slit in the paper and move the car seat to another room.

And second time around, Morse sniffed out the seat ...

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #147 on: November 24, 2014, 08:02:37 PM »
"You are never more than a dead dog away from a JF thread".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9X3iF6ntXQ
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ferryman

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Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #148 on: November 24, 2014, 08:08:56 PM »
This habit of moving stuff around to test it twice is not confined to the D'Andre Lane investigation, and indeed preceded the D'Andre Lane investigation ...

Offline misty

Re: If the McCann's had left within a week of Madeleine's disappearance...
« Reply #149 on: November 24, 2014, 08:25:33 PM »
This habit of moving stuff around to test it twice is not confined to the D'Andre Lane investigation, and indeed preceded the D'Andre Lane investigation ...

Yes, Ferryman - clothes,  toy cats & keys.
It's actually sad to have to point out that a corpse could have been wrapped up in a sealed bin bag in any one of the other 9 cars Eddie & Keela weren't allowed inside but they would never have indicated.