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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2014, 08:49:31 AM »
IIRC April Jones' mum is also promoting the Missing People charity - alongside Kate.   Why no criticism of her involvement - even though exactly the same can be said about Coral Jones as Kate McCann because  if it wasn't for her decision to let 5 yr old April play out unsupervised that evening -  what  happened to their little girl would not have happened.

Quote from Coral Jones
As April’s mother I will live with the guilt of letting her go out to play on the estate that night for the rest of my life."." 
End quote

I don't see anyone  hounding April's parents on a daily basis for unwittingly making a decision which resulted in the disappearance of their daughter.

The McCanns have acknowledged that they also unwittingly made a decision which  resulted in the disappearance of their child, and have also said they will carry the guilt for that for the rest of their lives.  And yet for 7 years they have been held totally responsible for Madeleine's disappearance by some - purely because it was their decision to leave her unsupervised.

Bizarre logic IMO.   

The only difference between these two mothers IMO is that in one case the real criminal has been found and in the other case - has yet to be.

IMO both Kate and Coral are perfect for the job of promoting Missing People.   I admire them both.

Maybe something to do with the difference between.

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As April’s mother I will live with the guilt of letting her go out to play on the estate that night for the rest of my life."." 

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But she admits it was a decision that torments her with every waking moment. "We've doubted what we did," Kate says. "It's hard to answer the question, 'Were we wrong to leave them?' If I'd had to think for one second, 'Should we have dinner and leave them?' I wouldn't have done it.
 
"It didn't happen like that. I didn't have to think for a second, that's how safe I felt. It's not like we went down town or anything. That night runs over and over in my mind and I'm sure people will learn from our mistake, if you want to call it that. I love her and I'm a totally responsible parent and that's the only thing that keeps me going."
 
Her eyes falling to Cuddle Cat, which she has reluctantly washed after it became filthy from her carrying it around, Kate adds: "I feel desperately sorry to her that we weren't there."
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

ferryman

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Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2014, 08:55:09 AM »
A complete non sequitur...

On the contrary.

(Alfred's) is a very pertinent point ...

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2014, 09:00:00 AM »
On the contrary.

(Alfred's) is a very pertinent point ...

So you are equating allowing someone connected with an investigation a) taking up a voluntary role in an organisation campaigning against the subject of that investigation and b) continuing their chosen profession?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Benice

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2014, 09:04:09 AM »
Excuses, excuses.

Was April Jones mother out boozing ?


I don't know what she was doing whilst she let her little girl play out unsupervised.  Do you?  Maybe she was having a meal.       However, just as with the McCanns -  it was because of her decision  to let her daughter play out without her parents' supervision which resulted in tragedy.   

 Apparently they had let their little girl play out unsupervised 'hundreds of times before.'  Surely that makes them guilty of serious neglect in your eyes and they should be prosecuted?   If not why not?

 Please explain the difference between two mothers both unwittingly making a decision which (because they were unsupervised)  resulted in both their daughters disappearance       Why is one to be sympathised with - and the other one demonised?


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

ferryman

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Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2014, 09:11:52 AM »
So you are equating allowing someone connected with an investigation a) taking up a voluntary role in an organisation campaigning against the subject of that investigation and b) continuing their chosen profession?

The McCanns are not being investigated.

Attempts are being made to track down the perpetrators of crime(s) against Madeleine; also to find Madeleine.

The McCanns are victims.

Madeleine is a victim.

stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2014, 09:20:20 AM »

I don't know what she was doing whilst she let her little girl play out unsupervised.  Do you?  Maybe she was having a meal.       However, just as with the McCanns -  it was because of her decision  to let her daughter play out without her parents' supervision which resulted in tragedy.   

 Apparently they had let their little girl play out unsupervised 'hundreds of times before.'  Surely that makes them guilty of serious neglect in your eyes and they should be prosecuted?   If not why not?

 Please explain the difference between two mothers both unwittingly making a decision which (because they were unsupervised)  resulted in both their daughters disappearance       Why is one to be sympathised with - and the other one demonised?

Now what did the mccanns say.................

about 'responsible parenting skills' ?

Has April ones mother and father made money from their daughter's death ?

stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2014, 09:26:57 AM »
The McCanns are not being investigated.

Attempts are being made to track down the perpetrators of crime(s) against Madeleine; also to find Madeleine.

The McCanns are victims.

Madeleine is a victim.

WRONG.

Madeleine is the victim.

The mccanns through their arrogant stupidity made her that.

Offline Benice

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2014, 09:56:42 AM »
Now what did the mccanns say.................

about 'responsible parenting skills' ?

Has April ones mother and father made money from their daughter's death ?

Do you blame Coral Jones' parenting skills for the disappearance of her daughter in the same way as you have been blaming the McCanns on a daily basis?     After all - it was her decision to let 5yr old April play out unsupervised -apparently something she had done hundreds of times before -  just as it was the McCanns decision to leave Madeleine asleep unsupervised - in the same way as other parents have done thousands of times before.    But on one dreadful occasion - the result of those decisions by both parents in both cases was tragedy - their daughters disappeared.

Instead of trying to change the subject - why don't you explain why you villify one set of parents and not the other?


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carew

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2014, 12:00:19 PM »
IIRC April Jones' mum is also promoting the Missing People charity - alongside Kate.   Why no criticism of her involvement - even though exactly the same can be said about Coral Jones as Kate McCann because  if it wasn't for her decision to let 5 yr old April play out unsupervised that evening -  what  happened to their little girl would not have happened.

Quote from Coral Jones
As April’s mother I will live with the guilt of letting her go out to play on the estate that night for the rest of my life."." 
End quote

I don't see anyone  hounding April's parents on a daily basis for unwittingly making a decision which resulted in the disappearance of their daughter.

The McCanns have acknowledged that they also unwittingly made a decision which  resulted in the disappearance of their child, and have also said they will carry the guilt for that for the rest of their lives.  And yet for 7 years they have been held totally responsible for Madeleine's disappearance by some - purely because it was their decision to leave her unsupervised.

Bizarre logic IMO.   

The only difference between these two mothers IMO is that in one case the real criminal has been found and in the other case - has yet to be.

IMO both Kate and Coral are perfect for the job of promoting Missing People.   I admire them both.

Puzzling isn`t it?

.........especially since there is so little to choose between allowing a 5 year old out to play with her friends and leaving a 3 year old, previously known to wake distressed, in an unlocked apartment at night with her younger siblings.




Offline Carew

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2014, 12:15:24 PM »
I despair.  I really do.

Awful for Kate, isn`t it?

.......especially after she had shown such compassion and empathy with a 3 year old who`d previously woken distressed at night;.......  even discussing leaving the door unlocked to enable her to get out and find her parents should the same thing happen again.

Enough to make Alfred and yourself cuss at posters or despair.



stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2014, 12:20:57 PM »
Awful for Kate, isn`t it?

.......especially after she had shown such compassion and empathy with a 3 year old who`d previously woken distressed at night;.......  even discussing leaving the door unlocked to enable her to get out and find her parents should the same thing happen again.

Enough to make Alfred and yourself cuss at posters or despair.

Unfortunately the McCann acolytes can't see the wood because of the trees.

No change on that one then.

Offline Matthew Wyse

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2014, 12:29:08 PM »
what a wonderful thing for Kate to get involved in...just can't help but admire her.


Why admire?   Has it escaped your notice that for anyone in the uk who are in any way interested in this fiasco and share your view that there are even more who can't stand the woman and what she represents?   I too despair !!!  I despair that a national charity can be so insensitive towards those other parents of missing children among whom are Ben and Daniel.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2014, 12:37:37 PM by Matthew Wyse »
Most people suspect the truth but few are able to admit it.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2014, 12:36:07 PM »
Puzzling isn`t it?

.........especially since there is so little to choose between allowing a 5 year old out to play with her friends and leaving a 3 year old, previously known to wake distressed, in an unlocked apartment at night with her younger siblings.

I feel a George Mparrbe moment coming on:
"What you has to understand is dat in de context of de McCann case de normal rules does not apply ........................"
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Matthew Wyse

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2014, 12:44:02 PM »
I feel a George Mparrbe moment coming on:
"What you has to understand is dat in de context of de McCann case de normal rules does not apply ........................"


What I would like to know is why ???   Why are missing children Ben and Daniel treated differently ?
Most people suspect the truth but few are able to admit it.

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2014, 12:53:24 PM »
Do you blame Coral Jones' parenting skills for the disappearance of her daughter in the same way as you have been blaming the McCanns on a daily basis?     After all - it was her decision to let 5yr old April play out unsupervised -apparently something she had done hundreds of times before -  just as it was the McCanns decision to leave Madeleine asleep unsupervised - in the same way as other parents have done thousands of times before.    But on one dreadful occasion - the result of those decisions by both parents in both cases was tragedy - their daughters disappeared.

Instead of trying to change the subject - why don't you explain why you vilify one set of parents and not the other?

Why go to the bother of vilifying anyone at all? 

After all it is a burden the parents of a missing child have to endure and if it is because they made the wrong call (hands up every perfect parent who has never made a poor decision)their trauma must be all the more severe.

So why go to the bother of choosing to add to unimaginable distress?  The parents are the people doing the suffering every day of their lives, it means nothing to the people hounding them.

I think it is worth remembering that if an unknown person hadn't removed Madeleine McCann from the apartment in Praia Da Luz ... we would never have heard of her or her parents ... that would really have given some people a dilemma, they would have had to find someone else to hate, 'investigate' and make up scenarios against over the past seven years.

Unless someone belonging to you disappears there can be empathy but little conception of the suffering of the family. 
No-one knows better than the parents of missing children what that must be like and how important it is that people feel that everything possible is being done to find their loved one.  Using posties is a great idea, but raising awareness in everyone to be watchful is a good idea. 

Unfortunately for them, Coral and Madeleine's parents could not be better qualified to front such a worthwhile endeavour.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....