Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.

[stephen25000]

Many people got involved with the searches, Stephen, but there was only one who was constantly questioning the police about what they had discovered & attempting to view official documents.
 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm
960 to 961 Results of informal    conversation with Robert Murat 2007.05.11 - Inspector Pedro Varanda

How many others "looked like DP" & spoke Portuguese and smoked?

You really have it in for Murat.

Why ?

Is he still an arguido ?

[misty]

You really have it in for Murat.

Why ?

Is he still an arguido ?

I'm discussing the topic of this thread,

Is he still an arguido? GA insinuated he is one again

Would you rather we discuss light molecules?

[stephen25000]

I'm discussing the topic of this thread,

Is he still an arguido? GA insinuated he is one again

Would you rather we discuss light molecules?

When did GA insinuate that ?

This fixation with Murat, do you have it ?

[pegasus]

SB's description is different to the others, it doesn't even resemble RM at all. The hair colour is completely wrong. The glasses lens colour is completely wrong. And no mention by her of the man she saw doing any translating. The man she refers to is clearly IMO an MW tourist involved in the very early searches immediately after the alarm keen to help find the child.

The different man, referred to by DP ROB RO and FP as translating that night before SB arrived, is IMO probably a long term expat, but definitely not RM. Many long-term expats do learn portuguese BTW. And having shortish dark hair and wearing glasses are nothing unusual.

[Brietta]

You say they had no reason to lie about RM ?

Yet he was put in the frame by people who 'saw' him there.

I don't understand why you think his presence in the vicinity of apartment 5A would be at all suspicious;  he was a neighbour who by nature was exceedingly anxious to help in the days after the event.

Why do you think the people who came forward to confirm their sighting of him would be lying to the police of two countries about it?

[misty]

When did GA insinuate that ?

This fixation with Murat, do you have it ?

GA's interview 23/1/15 after libel trial session (transcript)

*snip*
Gonçalo Amaral – Because of interferences that took place, without interferences we would have gone further. Have no doubts about that. That is why the process was archived. When the shelving took place, the couple and another person were arguidos. Any one of them could have requested the opening of the instruction and continued the process. None of them did it, the couple because they didn’t want to, they didn’t want to do it, and the other person because he received compensation from the British courts, so he didn’t do it, he was very satisfied, and now it seems that he is an arguido again. This is what happens –

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 RM is the topic here.
Why are you fixated on what I may be fixated on?

[misty]

SB's description is different to the others, it doesn't even resemble RM at all. The hair colour is completely wrong. The glasses lens colour is completely wrong. And no mention by her of the man she saw doing any translating. The man she refers to is clearly IMO an MW tourist involved in the very early searches immediately after the alarm keen to help find the child.

The different man, referred to by DP ROB RO and FP as translating that night before SB arrived, is IMO probably a long term expat, but definitely not RM. Many long-term expats do learn portuguese BTW. And having shortish dark hair and wearing glasses are nothing unusual.

Yes, the important point is that SB did not state she witnessed her man translating and she was told by someone else that it was RM.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm
*snipped*
She remembers, although she is not absolutely certain, given the time already elapsed, that an individual of about 1,70m, short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses, wanted from the start to help finding the child Madeleine McCann.
 She doesn't remember at what time she saw him.
 She doesn't remember how he was dressed up.
 She doesn't remember who was with him, whether he came walking or in some vehicle. That same individual, she was told later, is the son of Morat, his first name is ROBERT.
..........
She states that she spoke for the first time with Robert on Saturday (05-05-2007) or Sunday (06-05-2007) or may be on Monday (07-05-2007), during the breaks between the interviews in which he participated as a translator.

[pegasus]

Yes, the important point is that SB did not state she witnessed her man translating and she was told by someone else that it was RM.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm
*snipped*
She remembers, although she is not absolutely certain, given the time already elapsed, that an individual of about 1,70m, short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses, wanted from the start to help finding the child Madeleine McCann.
 She doesn't remember at what time she saw him.
 She doesn't remember how he was dressed up.
 She doesn't remember who was with him, whether he came walking or in some vehicle. That same individual, she was told later, is the son of Morat, his first name is ROBERT.
..........
She states that she spoke for the first time with Robert on Saturday (05-05-2007) or Sunday (06-05-2007) or may be on Monday (07-05-2007), during the breaks between the interviews in which he participated as a translator.

"short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses" (source: SB statement)

Obviously this doesn't even vaguely resemble RM who had short dark hair, and glasses with clear lenses.

[misty]

"short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses" (source: SB statement)

Obviously this doesn't even vaguely resemble RM who had short dark hair, and glasses with clear lenses.

 The lenses - google images show some photos of thin framed-spectacles with brown lenses & more than one pair were worn in the early days.

[pegasus]

The lenses - google images show some photos of thin framed-spectacles with brown lenses & more than one pair were worn in the early days.

There is nothing unusual about thin-framed glasses lots of people have them.
Tinted lenses are a little more unusual, especially at nighttime.

Certainly on the 4th RM's lenses are clear, definitely not the tinted lenses described by SB.

To make the man seen by SB into RM you will also have to magically change his hair colour to the "light brown" described by SB. There is no translation error here, because SB gave her statement in portuguese and it says the man's hair is "castanho claro" which means light brown.

RM has dark hair, not light brown. Therefore the man seen by SB was definitely not RM.

[pegasus]

Having rubbished SB's identification of RM, next to rubbish the identification by [Name removed] and AW and the pythonesque "offences under the SYHNCYCWYH Act" accusation.

[misty]

Having rubbished SB's identification of RM, next to rubbish the identification by [Name removed] and AW and the pythonesque "offences under the SYHNCYCWYH Act" accusation.

Is that the "Should you have not changed your clothes when you're hot" act?
It's more difficult to disprove [Name removed]'s accusation when you a)don't know how close she was to the smoking man on the night of the 3rd    b)how close she was to DP when she mistook him for smoking man    c)what [Name removed]'s eyesight is like.

He did fixate on those 2 ladies, though, didn't he, for a little while?

Why don't you do CP next?

[pegasus]

Witnesses [Name removed] and AW reportedly claimed that RM changed his clothes sometime during the day of 4th May and then denied it.

"He was wearing a navy blue T-shirt and jeans. He was very sweaty and said, 'I must shower and change, I've been in these all day'. They felt that was strange because he had been in a striped shirt and trousers earlier."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sisters-saw-murat-at-mccann-flat-531256

In fact RM was wearing blue tshirt and jeans for the whole of 4th May, as proven by many photos, and especially by a photo of him wearing blue tshirt and jeans at about 9.30AM, shortly after he first arrived with SC.
This proves that RM is telling the truth.
And proves absolutely that the witnesses [Name removed] and AW were seriously mistaken.
In fact the man they saw in a "striped shirt" was someone else, not RM.
The way this honest mistake by two witnesses was seized on by whoever was spoonfeeding the brit press and used against RM is shameful IMO

[pegasus]

Is that the "Should you have not changed your clothes when you're hot" act?
It's more difficult to disprove [Name removed]'s accusation when you a)don't know how close she was to the smoking man on the night of the 3rd    b)how close she was to DP when she mistook him for smoking man    c)what [Name removed]'s eyesight is like.

He did fixate on those 2 ladies, though, didn't he, for a little while?

Why don't you do CP next?

Very close Misty, actually it's the little-known "Saying You Have Not Changed Your Clothes When You Have" Act of Parliament, according to my pal Flying Fox of the Yard. The absurdity of the accusation is proven by one of the very first photos we have morning 4th, where RM can be clearly seen with several of the T9 at about 930am, and he is wearing blue tshirt and jeans. Any one of those T9 members in that photo could have told you that the "changed clothes" accusation fed to the brit press was completely false.

[misty]

Witnesses [Name removed] and AW reportedly claimed that RM changed his clothes sometime during the day of 4th May and then denied it.

"He was wearing a navy blue T-shirt and jeans. He was very sweaty and said, 'I must shower and change, I've been in these all day'. They felt that was strange because he had been in a striped shirt and trousers earlier."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sisters-saw-murat-at-mccann-flat-531256

In fact RM was wearing blue tshirt and jeans for the whole of 4th May, as proven by many photos, and especially by a photo of him wearing blue tshirt and jeans at about 9.30AM, shortly after he first arrived with SC.
This proves that RM is telling the truth.
And proves absolutely that the witnesses [Name removed] and AW were seriously mistaken.
In fact the man they saw in a "striped shirt" was someone else, not RM.
The way this honest mistake by two witnesses was seized on by whoever was spoonfeeding the brit press and used against RM is shameful IMO

From a distance.....