Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.

[mercury]

no credible witness statements of Robert Murat that night, no reason to suspect him in the disappearance, so what's the point f this thread still?zzzzzzz

[pegasus]

Maybe the source close to the investigation got it wrong?
How were AW & [Name removed] able to first take a PJ officer to the apartment without the use of an interpreter?

On 4th [Name removed] and AW went to apartment 5C with a police officer. IMO obviously this was a police officer who spoke at least a little english. While they were there a man arrived uninvited and offered to translate. The two witnesses thought it was RM (retrospectively as they did not know him at all). It wasn't RM. It was a different man, wearing a striped shirt. I've already proved photographically that RM was not wearing a striped shirt - he was wearing a blue tshirt from first thing in the morning on 4th until the evening, exactly like he said, photos don't lie.

[pegasus]

The "source close to the investigation" in http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sisters-saw-murat-at-mccann-flat-531256 obviously had an inside ability to obtain information from M3 and to choose to feed it to the UK press. Therefore that same source presumably had access to at least two of the people who were standing outside the stairwell area at about 9.30am with RM and could plainly see that he was wearing a blue tshirt and jeans from the beginning of the day exactly as he says. That single fact, easily checkable by the so-called "source close to the investigation", obviously means the 2 lady witnesses mistook a different man for RM, and IMO it was extremely irresponsible, if the "source" knew that, to bandy this guff to all the UK papers in Dec 2007 knowing it was incorrect.

[misty]

On 4th [Name removed] and AW went to apartment 5C with a police officer. IMO obviously this was a police officer who spoke at least a little english. While they were there a man arrived uninvited and offered to translate. The two witnesses thought it was RM (retrospectively as they did not know him at all). It wasn't RM. It was a different man, wearing a striped shirt. I've already proved photographically that RM was not wearing a striped shirt - he was wearing a blue tshirt from first thing in the morning on 4th until the evening, exactly like he said, photos don't lie.

I agree RM was wearing a blue T-Shirt early the next morning.
Do we have photographic evidence of what he was wearing in the afternoon & evening?

[pegasus]

I agree RM was wearing a blue T-Shirt early the next morning.
Do we have photographic evidence of what he was wearing in the afternoon & evening?

When he spoke with [Name removed] AW and RB on a groundfloor block 6 balcony evening 4th he was wearing blue tshirt and jeans. IMO all photos of him daytime 4th show him wearing blue tshirt and jeans, contradicting the "source close to the investigation".

It is worrying that some of the UK papers also used a photo to illustrate this Dec 2007 story. But not the easily available photos of RM on morning 4th wearing blue tshirt and jeans, which would have immediately proven the story to be rubbish. Instead they were fed a photo of RM on a later date, wearing a checked shirt (presumably the closest to striped that the "source" could find) and non-jean trousers, which increases further the deceptiveness of this misleading press-feed.

[misty]

When he spoke with [Name removed] AW and RB on a groundfloor block 6 balcony evening 4th he was wearing blue tshirt and jeans. IMO all photos of him daytime 4th show him wearing blue tshirt and jeans, contradicting the "source close to the investigation".

It is worrying that some of the UK papers also used a photo to illustrate this Dec 2007 story. But not the easily available photos of RM on morning 4th wearing blue tshirt and jeans, which would have immediately proven the story to be rubbish. Instead they were fed a photo of RM on a later date, wearing a checked shirt (presumably the closest to striped that the "source" could find) and non-jean trousers, which increases further the deceptiveness of this misleading press-feed.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm
(events of 4th May)

--- In the meantime the tracker dogs arrived that undertook a more rigorous form of search.
 --- Then, having told several of the present people, including officers of the GNR, that he spoke two languages, he was taken to some places to make verbal translations for people who wanted to testify, remaining in that role during the afternoon. On the evening of that day by 19:00-19:30 went to see Michaela, returning to Luz about 23:00-23:30.

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That evening, the two sisters joined the barrister and his wife for a glass of wine on the balcony of their apartment.

They were discussing Madeleine's disappearance and the apparent failure of the police to set up a crime scene when Mr Murat walked past, saw them and joined them uninvited.

Mrs Jensen said: "He was wearing a blue T-shirt and jeans and he said he needed to go home and change because it had been a long day, which was odd, because he had already changed out of the clothes he had been wearing earlier."


After Mr Murat left, the barrister told the sisters he found him "odd".


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Newspapers & statement not really tallying up.

[mercury]

Ths is getting sooooo boring

[pegasus]

Ths is getting sooooo boring

Proving that accusations against an innocent man are false is not boring.
1. The man SB saw that night was not RM  - because it's proven photographically that RM does not have light brown hair. 2. The man [Name removed] saw that night was not RM - she confused him with another man - proven photographically.  3. For the same reason, the man RB saw that night was not RM.  4. DP who spoke briefly with the man that night was not even sure if it was RM and therefore did not attend the confrontation.
Four down, four to go, and next is CP.  But first a sidenote - when she went to enter the apartment she was told "No, no, she's not here, she's not here"

[misty]

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[pegasus]

RB was not the unnamed barrister out walking with his family around 10pm.

Not sure where you get the walking with family around 10?
I thought sitting on a friend's balcony, heard GM, joined early search, saw same man [Name removed] saw.
 

[misty]

Not sure where you get the walking with family around 10?
I thought sitting on a friend's balcony, heard GM, joined early search, saw same man [Name removed] saw.

Wrong witnesses, sorry, now deleted.

[misty]

Not sure where you get the walking with family around 10?
I thought sitting on a friend's balcony, heard GM, joined early search, saw same man [Name removed] saw.

You are discrediting the word of a barrister who was pictured with RM the next day? You think he made a mistake, too, and stood by it several months down the line?

[misty]

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm

*snipped*
On the following morning, 4th May he also participated in some searches and, as in his professional capacity he manages apartment 5E of the OC Garden (in the same block as the apartment from which Madeleine disappeared) he suggested that the authorities should visit that apartment, in case someone had tried to enter it while it was unoccupied.

 He went to the apartment with a GNR officer and after a few seconds Robert Murat also entered the apartment without anyone having requested his presence.

 The witness says that he found Murat's presence in the apartment to be strange, adding that after he entered the apartment he gave the witness a 'pat on the side' and said 'thanks for your collaboration'. During this situation the witness thought that Murat worked for the police. On that morning the witness saw Murat moving around the site a lot and saw him enter and leave the apartment Madeleine disappeared from, without knowing whether he was with anyone there. He said that Murat moved a lot between the authorities and journalists.

 When asked, he thinks that on that morning * Murat was wearing a yellow shirt and light coloured trousers.* The witness cannot be certain but he thinks those were the clothes Murat was wearing.

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Someone who DID know RM.
Maybe he had multiple changes of clothes that day. Confusion is good.

[pegasus]

You are discrediting the word of a barrister who was pictured with RM the next day? You think he made a mistake, too, and stood by it several months down the line?

Only one of that witness's statements is in the published files, it's dated May 2008 and it certainly does not even mention RM.
The allegation that this witness said they saw RM on the night of the 3rd comes to us only from press reports which were fed to the press by someone who in Dec 2007 had good access to both the press and to M3.

[pegasus]

@Misty. BW's statement that RM was wearing a yellow shirt and light coloured trousers on morning 4th is IMO incorrect  (he does say he's not sure). RM was certainly wearing those clothes on a later date, but not on the 4th. He was wearing blue tshirt and jeans from first thing in morning 4th until just after visiting RB balcony evening 4th. BW is getting the 4th and a later date mixed up IMO.