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Offline pegasus

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #270 on: October 21, 2015, 03:24:37 AM »
(snip)...Where is the evidence of what he was wearing later in the day ...(snip)
The evidence is photos throughout the day Misty, all in the same blue tshirt and jeans, exactly as the witness truthfully stated.

Online Eleanor

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #271 on: October 21, 2015, 07:47:44 AM »

Has it not already been proved that Robert Murat was wearing a blue tee shirt in the morning and that someone else was wearing a striped blue tee shirt?
I could have sworn I saw those two photos somewhere.  On this thread even.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #272 on: October 21, 2015, 08:18:35 AM »
It seems far too important to certain people that anything which implicates RM in any way whatsoever needs to be discredited by phrases such  as victims of irrational brain processes. Do cadaver dogs suffer the same affliction?

Hmm, I wonder who else that is applied to?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

stephen25000

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #273 on: October 21, 2015, 08:25:54 AM »
It seems far too important to certain people that anything which implicates RM in any way whatsoever needs to be discredited by phrases such  as victims of irrational brain processes. Do cadaver dogs suffer the same affliction?


You seem hell bent on putting Murat in the frame for Madeleine's disappearance.

and this seems increasingly a libellous pathway.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2015, 12:10:15 PM by Eleanor »

Offline Brietta

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #274 on: October 21, 2015, 11:44:49 AM »
It is a fact that RM was wearing a blue t-shirt when he first arrived outside the apartment on morning 4th. Photos prove it. Photos of GM and KM and several of the T7 standing right next to him in a blue tshirt. Yet still some people will still claim the "changed clothes" story is true. It's puzzling how someone could publish that story when the proof it is wrong was so easily accessible.

Interesting point, Misty.  There are, I believe witness statements that his demeanour was such that it led people to suppose he was part of the GNR team taking part in searches.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #275 on: October 21, 2015, 11:57:22 AM »


You seem hell bent on putting Murat in the frame for Madeleine's disappearance.

and this seems increasingly a libellous pathway.

The people who put Robert Murat in the frame for Madeleine's disappearance were the same people who did likewise for her parents.

Why do you feel free to denigrate and malign the Drs McCann while defending the rights enjoyed by Robert Murat, which I would remind you, are exactly the same rights which should be enjoyed by the Drs McCann, but which are denied them with tedious regularity by motley groups of sceptics?

There is nothing libellous in discussing the statements made by credible witnesses that they saw Robert Murat in the vicinity of the McCann apartment on the 3rd.
Even if he had been there ... so what?  Nothing at all suspicious in that at all.

Police suspicions were aroused by his changing alibis ... not by his presence to an event in the near vicinity of his home.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2015, 12:11:48 PM by Eleanor »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #276 on: October 21, 2015, 11:59:48 AM »
Quite, so suggesting the parents dunnit is libellous, same as suggesting it was Murat - do you understand this?

He obviously doesnt

Offline misty

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #277 on: October 21, 2015, 12:26:14 PM »
Person A = Smoking man on night 3rd (seen but not met by [Name removed]/RB)
Person B = Translator man/striped shirt man [Name removed] encountered on 4th at 5C & once later p.m
Person C=  RM = Blue T-shirt man/man who went to balcony where [Name removed]/AW/RB were enjoying wine - early evening

[Name removed] met Person B when he translated to PJ for her.
[Name removed] thinks that person B & C is the same as person A.
RB thinks that person C is also person A.
RB engaged in searches with person C.
Person C must have met [Name removed]/RB prior to evening to have approached them on their balcony.
Person C is wearing different clothing to earlier encounter with [Name removed] when described as person B, but same as RM a.m.

Could somebody please explain why person B cannot be person C (change of clothes) but person A could be Person B if there are 2 translators who look almost identical.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #278 on: October 21, 2015, 12:34:25 PM »
Robert Murat was an arguido. That status was lifted in 2008.
He was interviewed by the Portuguese police, a year ago, on behalf of the Metropolitan Police Service. There seems to be no record of him being an arguido now or having been interviewed by the Portuguese police in their reopened investigation.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546700/Murat-quizzed-for-four-hours-in-Yard-hunt-for-Madeleine

The Scotland Yard squad says it is keeping an “open mind” about the case.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline misty

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #279 on: October 21, 2015, 12:34:38 PM »

You seem hell bent on putting Murat in the frame for Madeleine's disappearance.

and this seems increasingly a libellous pathway.

No. Madeleine disappeared at least half an hour before RM was first placed at the scene & RM was not seen carrying a child.
It would be entirely brazen or very foolhardy for a person to return to the scene of a crime he had not long committed, make himself visible & actually introduce himself to people around the crime scene. Then it would be even more foolhardy to deny his presence to the police.
The question is - why did so many people make the same mistaken identification, if that's indeed what it was?
Who was this person? What was he doing there? Was he Smithman?
A

Offline Brietta

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #280 on: October 21, 2015, 01:03:22 PM »
No. Madeleine disappeared at least half an hour before RM was first placed at the scene & RM was not seen carrying a child.
It would be entirely brazen or very foolhardy for a person to return to the scene of a crime he had not long committed, make himself visible & actually introduce himself to people around the crime scene. Then it would be even more foolhardy to deny his presence to the police.
The question is - why did so many people make the same mistaken identification, if that's indeed what it was?
Who was this person? What was he doing there? Was he Smithman?
A

I think a person who looked like Robert Murat was at the scene shortly after Madeleine's disappearance ... if he was helping out either in the search or in translating ... why is his name not on record?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #281 on: October 21, 2015, 09:06:04 PM »
The situation concerning the first suspect, ROBERT MURAT, will now be approached, thus following a line of the succession of the facts, without prejudice of returning to the description of occurrences further ahead.

A few days after the facts took place, suspicions were raised concerning an individual that resides approximately 100/150 metres away from apartment 5A, identified as ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT.

suspicions arose initially due to the formulation by a British journalist, who found the special commitment and curiosity of MURAT in this case to be strange, which had reminded her of another [case] that had taken place in the United Kingdom with similar outlines and where the guilty persons had actively participated in searches.

The reasons for said suspicion are duly listed within the information that is contained in the process, on pages 308, 328, 442, 461, 957, 960, 961 and 986 to 1000, being certain that they ended up being reinforced, some time later, by elements of the holiday group that asserted, contrary to what MURAT said, that he had participated in the searches on the evening of the disappearance.
In an initial phase, before the investigation was deepened, this individual gathered the conditions to be pointed out as a suspect. The conditions that are intrinsical to his suspect status, can be analysed, as stated before, on the routine reports that were mentioned above.

In order to confirm or dismiss the suspicions about ROBERT MURAT, searches and telephone surveillance were requested, pages 995 to 1013, both on the suspect and on the individuals with whom he directly or indirectly interacted, namely with who he met almost daily and maintained telephone contacts.

Despite the exhaustive and methodical investigation into MURAT and the persons close to him, no elements whatsoever were collected to relate him to the crime that was under investigation, and it should be noted that contrary to what witnesses within the group stated concerning his hypothetical participation in the searches on the night of the disappearance, other witnesses (like SILVIA BAPTISTA and elements of the GNR) asserted that they had not seen him during those diligences

Beyond the communication interceptions and forensic exams of the computers belonging to them, which pointed to nothing useful, several searches were also performed in the suspect’s home, as mentioned earlier, with cino-technical assistance and exploration of the subsoil, both physically and by technological detection means, which also did not allow for the collection of exact evidence.

Be aware that, in relation to the utilization of very advanced technological means, in the area of the detection of strange bodies in the subsoil or enclosed [walled in], these were performed specifically by technicians from Aveiro University, using equipment that allowed a detailed search of the area.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #282 on: October 21, 2015, 09:14:08 PM »
it would be very interesting to know what questions Grange asked him

Offline pegasus

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #283 on: October 22, 2015, 02:42:34 AM »
I think a person who looked like Robert Murat was at the scene shortly after Madeleine's disappearance ... (snip)
Yes.
The people who state they saw a man translating that night are DP FP RO ROB.
They did truthfully see a man translating that night, but it was not RM , it was another person who superficially resembles him.

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
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