Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?

[Wonderfulspam]

So who was eating Gerry's dinner whilst he was away?   9 meals ordered, 9 meals served. 

Would any normal person even feel like eating at a time like that?

And why would Diane Webster confirm that Gerry was at the table when Kate raised the alarm?    She hardly knew him and had no children to be responsible for.   And would Fiona Payne really allow her elderly mother to perjure herself to the police in a foreign country?    Not a chance IMO.

Because he was, it was 9.50, not 10:03, or 10:15.

[Wonderfulspam]

Because if they'd staged an abduction for during the night they would not have had an alibi, see?  That's why they had to adopt the insanely risky strategy of moving a corpse around 2 or 3 times that night (including parading it through town in open view for all to see) immediately before or just after raising the alarm, because of course that's far less likely to lead to them being caught than if they'd allowed themselves plenty of time to do the dastardly deed hours before raising the alarm.  And the fact that no one (except the police, but we'll gloss over that bit) seems to believe their actual alibi anyway means that they went to all that trouble for nowt!  *&*%£

'The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them not being inside the apartment when she disappeared.....'

[pathfinder73]

So who was eating Gerry's dinner whilst he was away?   9 meals ordered, 9 meals served. 

Would any normal person even feel like eating at a time like that?

And why would Diane Webster confirm that Gerry was at the table when Kate raised the alarm?   She hardly knew him and had no children to be responsible for.   And would Fiona Payne really allow her elderly mother to perjure herself to the police in a foreign country?    Not a chance IMO.

Starters didn't arrive until 9:15.  Russell and Matt left to check after they'd finished starters at 9:25. You really need to work the timeline out if you have any chance of solving this case. SY have done so. If they haven't they should all be sacked.

[Benice]

Starters didn't arrive until 9:15.  Russell and Matt left to check after they'd finished starters at 9:25. You really need to work the timeline out if you have any chance of solving this case. SY have done so. If they haven't they should be all sacked.

Yes they have PF :-

Quote from DCI Redwood.

''We have conducted a Forensic Analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.'
Unquote

[Benice]

Can you provide a cite for bit of the Times article?

I'm afraid I haven't got the full Times article anymore - but here is the relevant part of it re Martin Smith.


Quote
There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.
Unquote

[faithlilly]

The Times article  stated that Martin Smith had changed his mind and no longer believed the man he saw was Gerry,   That's a massive lie to publish if it was untrue - in fact the complete opposite of the truth.   

In the past Martin Smith has always been swift to take action against newspapers who got it wrong  - but there was no retraction and no apology issued regarding this truly momentous claim about him.     IMO common sense dictates that can only be because he had made no complaint about it - because it was accurate.

Do you have links to reports of the action Martin Smith took Benice ?

[faithlilly]

So who was eating Gerry's dinner whilst he was away?   9 meals ordered, 9 meals served. 

Would any normal person even feel like eating at a time like that?

And why would Diane Webster confirm that Gerry was at the table when Kate raised the alarm?   She hardly knew him and had no children to be responsible for.   And would Fiona Payne really allow her elderly mother to perjure herself to the police in a foreign country?    Not a chance IMO.

But Gerry was at the table.

As to Fiona Payne allowing her mother to perjure herself, in her first interview Diane was adamant that she hadn't seen anyone on her way to the tapas on the third yet a year later, and with a little help from her son-in-law, her memory suddenly becomes better and she remembers seeing Oldfield ! Really ?

[Benice]

Do you have links to reports of the action Martin Smith took Benice ?

There is a letter somewhere in the files from the Irish Garda which talks about the action MS took against newspapers.   I'm no good with links/searches Faith -  but  I will try to find it - when I get time.   Must go now - visitors are imminent.   

[pathfinder73]

Yes they have PF :-

Quote from DCI Redwood.

''We have conducted a Forensic Analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.'
Unquote

I know Benice Kate left at 9:51 to check not 10:03. That time will haunt him.

[faithlilly]

Yes they have PF :-

Quote from DCI Redwood.

''We have conducted a Forensic Analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.'
Unquote

There was always the opportunity, you didn't need a forensic analysis to tell you that but that's not proof that it actually happened.

Hypothetical situation. ( no individuals have been libelled in the manufacture of this scenario )

A couple's are given something to help them sleep. Couple go out but one child sustains a fatal injury while alone. Couple can't alert the authorities because they know sedative will be found. A faked abduction is decided upon with a concealment of the body with the intention of it being found during searches and the sedation blamed on the abductor. Unfortunately the place of concealment, say a large bin, is not searched properly and the bin is collected and taken to landfill. The landfill site is never subsequently searched.

Your thoughts ?

[Eleanor]

But Gerry was at the table.

As to Fiona Payne allowing her mother to perjure herself, in her first interview Diane was adamant that she hadn't seen anyone on her way to the tapas on the third yet a year later, and with a little help from her son-in-law, her memory suddenly becomes better and she remembers seeing Oldfield ! Really ?

Have you any conception of punctuation and sentences?  Please try harder.

[Brietta]

Are we now taking as fact what was said in a times article given they have just been successfully sued for the efit suppression claim? That is interesting in itself as I searched in vain for the reason the efits were not in the public domain. Gerry even wrote a piece for the guardian which did not go into that particular detail but rather focused on the conduct of the press. If he had a legitimate reason I was surprised he did not take that opportunity to let us know why rather then leaving a vacuum for further speculation...

Why do you suppose the police and the victims of a crime need to explain in minute detail anything at all to do with the ongoing investigation into a missing child case?

I doubt it is legitimate or reasonable to give out detailed information which I am sure the perpetrator would be delighted to have ... just to avoid armchair detectives having to speculate, which they would do anyway whatever they were told.

[Carana]

There is a letter somewhere in the files from the Irish Garda which talks about the action MS took against newspapers.   I'm no good with links/searches Faith -  but  I will try to find it - when I get time.   Must go now - visitors are imminent.

16-Processos, Volume XVI, pg 4134 to 4139
Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor's letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

Liam Hogan

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm#p16p4134

[faithlilly]

16-Processos, Volume XVI, pg 4134 to 4139
Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor's letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

Liam Hogan

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm#p16p4134

Thank you Carana. Then we can only assume Mr Smith has decided not to react.

[Eleanor]

Thank you Carana. Then we can only assume Mr Smith has decided not to react.

Decided not to react to what?  Is Martin Smith in the game, or is he not?

Oh gosh, you didn't like what he said, or didn't say.