Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?

[Brietta]

I don't think the point you make is relevant here because I can't see what info he would be giving away to a perpetrator. Maybe there is perhaps, yet what that is is hard to fathom in regard to the efits not being released. On another note it could simply be that the dodgy detectives(unknown to them at the time but I'm pretty sure one was a fraudster) they hired did not pass it on or maybe they did not want to distract from the tanner sighting...

It is not of the slightest concern for me why the efits were not released ... I do find it par for the course that only Madeline's parents received excoriating criticism.

[faithlilly]

Maybe he did not change his mind exactly because after all he did not clearly see the face of the guy, but rather he suspected it could be Gerry McCann I believe from his walk + carrying style(that is exactly how I would carry a child BTW. How else would you?) So if he wasn't sure it was Gerry, but only suspected given his 60-80% statement why wouldn't he make an efit on his recollection from a dark street?

I do agree in general that it might indicate he has had a change of heart or is very unsure. Are there any other reports apart from the times claiming this?

No there isn't and the claim is not underpinned by a direct quote, a sure pointer to deceit according to Ferryman in the past.

[pegasus]

A black saloon car reversed sharply at about 8.30pm that evening, near the supermarket, witness said there were two men in the car and says they were acting strangely
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html

[pegasus]

Another vehicle event that evening near 5A, this one at about 8pm.
"As I approached another junction a small, brown car, with just one English-looking man in it swung round and nearly hit mine.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/100071/EXCLUSIVE-Who-was-the-woman-outside-Maddie-s-flat

[faithlilly]

Another vehicle event that evening near 5A, this one at about 8pm.
"As I approached another junction a small, brown car, with just one English-looking man in it swung round and nearly hit mine.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/100071/EXCLUSIVE-Who-was-the-woman-outside-Maddie-s-flat

My goodness I thought PDL was a quiet, sleepy little place. If you belueve all the eyewitness accounts of suspicious characters seen that night it sound more like Oxford Circus on a Saturday than an out of season Algarve bolt hole.

[faithlilly]

Crap, and a disgrace that this board allows such malicious tittle-tattle.

Then rebut it.

[Alfred R Jones]

I'm afraid I haven't got the full Times article anymore - but here is the relevant part of it re Martin Smith.


Quote
There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.
Unquote

The article from whence that quote was taken can be found in full on McCannfiles http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

[Mr Gray]

Then rebut it.

what do you mean by rebut it..prove it wrong....that isn't how justice works...but perhaps you are not interested in justice

[Alfred R Jones]

what do you mean by rebut it..prove it wrong....that isn't how justice works...but perhaps you are not interested in justice

I'd happily rebut it but in the correct forum - Members Only.

[pegasus]

My goodness I thought PDL was a quiet, sleepy little place. If you belueve all the eyewitness accounts of suspicious characters seen that night it sound more like Oxford Circus on a Saturday than an out of season Algarve bolt hole.

Agreed, but I am trying to help Eleanor by getting thread back on topic, so I posted two vehicle events that evening.

Those two vehicle  events, at 8pm and at 8.30pm, are IMO too early, becuse IMO we know the "disapperance" (whatever form it took) happened after about 9.10pm 

I can't find any definite vehicle events after 9.10pm, although there is this:

Reportedly a woman heard a "crashing noise" near 5A at "around the time of the disappearance" (presumably sometime between 9.15pm and 10pm????). A crashing noise could be furniture falling over, could be someone raising or lowering a shutter, or many other things, just mentioning it because of the hypothetical possibility it might have been a vehicular crash.
Sorry have lost source, it was not in files, it was in a newspaper report, the witness was reportedly a woman who told someone else about it in tapas on a following day.

[faithlilly]

Agreed, but I am trying to help Eleanor by getting thread back on topic, so I posted two vehicle events that evening.

Those two events, at 8pm and at 8.30pm, are IMO too early, becuse IMO we know the "disapperance" (whatever form it took) happened after about 9.10pm 

I can't find any vehicle events after 9.10pm, although there was reportedly a woman who heard a "crashing noise" near 5A at "around the time of the disappearance". A crashing noise could be furniture falling over, could be someone raising or lowering a shutter, or many other things just mentioning it because of the hypothetical possibility it might have been a vehicular crash.
Sorry have lost source, it was not in files, it was in a newspaper report, the witness was reportedly a woman who told someone else about it in tapas on a following day.

Newspaper articles are always contentious Pegasus. Best avoided whenever possible.

[jassi]

My goodness I thought PDL was a quiet, sleepy little place. If you belueve all the eyewitness accounts of suspicious characters seen that night it sound more like Oxford Circus on a Saturday than an out of season Algarve bolt hole.

Not only that night -  daytime as well, according to certain people who came forward to make statements and yet the parents suspected nothing. Perhaps they were too busy playing tennis to notice.

[pegasus]

Newspaper articles are always contentious Pegasus. Best avoided whenever possible.

Good point but
For both the two vehicle events (at 8pm and at 8.30) I confirmed the witness identity, confirmed they were in PDL, their addresses, and in one case cross matched with the files to confirm, and deduced probable exact event location. Therefore I have no doubt whatsoever that both those events (irrelevant as they may be) did happen.

[faithlilly]

So it seems all trace of my hypothertical scenario has been removed. The faithful ask us to post our theories and when we do they pull them. Where's the sense in that ?

I did notice before it was whooshed however that there was not one coherent rebuttal of by the faithful of its content so I'll start off.

I don't think an disappearance could have happened in the way you posted because...............?

I look forward to your answers.

[Alfred R Jones]

So it seems all trace of my hypothertical scenario has been removed. The faithful ask us to post our theories and when we do they pull them. Where's the sense in that ?

I did notice before it was whooshed however that there was not one coherent rebuttal of by the faithful of its content so I'll start off.

I don't think an disappearance could have happened in the way you posted because...............?

I look forward to your answers.

As you are ignoring me you won't see this, but there is a forum where your idiotic theories can be discussed in detail - it's in the Members Only forum.  Funny how you've changed your tune from a week ago when you were urging Pathfinder not to commit libel by discussing his / her theory on this forum!  anyway, would you like me to set up a separate thread so we can discuss your ideas in depth?