Author Topic: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?  (Read 93060 times)

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ferryman

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #285 on: December 01, 2014, 07:47:38 PM »
That's blindingly obvious. Whether they will achieve their objective is another matter entirely.

I've no doubt you hope they do ...

Offline jassi

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #286 on: December 01, 2014, 07:51:36 PM »
I've no doubt you hope they do ...

Indeed I do do hope they achieve what they are seeking
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #287 on: December 01, 2014, 09:03:12 PM »
That's blindingly obvious. Whether they will achieve their objective is another matter entirely.

Yes, one would have thought so ... but apparently there are those who disagree.

I sincerely hope SY and the PJ succeed in achieving the objective of finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann. 
Proper official investigation has been a long time coming with many opposed to them even starting let alone achieving it.  I can understand that sentiment being held by the perpetrators but wonder at the motives of others.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #288 on: December 01, 2014, 09:22:06 PM »
Absolutely, and that is why I find the woke and wandered theory to be so compelling.  A child of three hit by a car will sustain head trauma since their head is at the same height as a cars bumper/bonnet.  Blood loss does not always occur in blunt force RTA's so that would explain why no trace was found.

The speed of traffic on the streets adjacent to Ocean Club Garden complex was probably about 20 mph so screeching brakes is a non starter.

I think it is is implausible that Madeleine wandered off on her own and was hit by a vehicle. 

If she had left via the front door, despite the darkness, and walked round the building using the route followed by the sniffer dogs, there was no vehicular access. 

Had she left by the patio doors the first lighted area was at reception a few yards downhill and she would have headed there without having to cross the road.

If she had been hit by a slow moving vehicle it didn't necessarily have to have been a fatal collision as can be seen from the following article from a driver involved in a collision with a three year old child.


** snip**
In an instant, a few yards in front of me was a small child. He was followed by an adult. I remember thinking "WHAT THE..." and then reflexively hit my brakes. The car skidded and I ran into both of them. The child flew through the air, caught in the beam of my headlights. I didn't see the adult.

Traffic stopped behind me and on the other side of the road ahead of me. For a few seconds everything was still. The child, who looked about three years old, was crying in a heap a few yards in front of my car; the adult had been thrown further.


** snip**
I was then told that no action would be taken against me and I was taken home by one of the young policemen. He told me to ring him if I needed to talk. He rang me a day or two later and told me that the aunt and the child had no broken bones and were both at home nursing some bruising.

The aunt wanted to talk to me and he asked whether he could give her my phone number. She rang me a few minutes later to tell me that she and her nephew were both well and to thank me for not driving fast. I told her that it was brave of her to try to save the child, and she laughed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-day-i-hit-a-child-at-20mph-ndash-and-realised-the-speed-limit-must-be-cut-1985069.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #289 on: December 01, 2014, 11:39:31 PM »
I think it is is implausible that Madeleine wandered off on her own and was hit by a vehicle. 

If she had left via the front door, despite the darkness, and walked round the building using the route followed by the sniffer dogs, there was no vehicular access. 

Had she left by the patio doors the first lighted area was at reception a few yards downhill and she would have headed there without having to cross the road.

** snip**
 

Well thought out Brietta  8@??)(
An excellent analysis !

So either from the front of the building or from the back she was likely to have headed for the Tapas Reception and the restaurant.  Well lighted area and very close.

No roads to cross.


The PT dogs indicated that Madeleine had gone around the building the last time she left by that front door.  We dont know whether that was that night, the day before, or a couple of days previously, do we?

stephen25000

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #290 on: December 02, 2014, 07:53:10 AM »
Well thought out Brietta  8@??)(
An excellent analysis !

So either from the front of the building or from the back she was likely to have headed for the Tapas Reception and the restaurant.  Well lighted area and very close.

No roads to cross.


The PT dogs indicated that Madeleine had gone around the building the last time she left by that front door.  We dont know whether that was that night, the day before, or a couple of days previously, do we?


and what if Madeleine did get out of an unlocked apartment by herself, either that night on on another ?

Offline sadie

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #291 on: December 02, 2014, 01:48:05 PM »
and what if Madeleine did get out of an unlocked apartment by herself, either that night on on another ?
To be totally honest I do not believe she did.  I believe she was abducted.

But if she by some miracle did, then she did not get run over as so succinctly explained by Brietta.  Cos from back or front, she would have ended up at the tapas Reception, which was brightly lit.

No roads to cross to get there from back or front of 5A

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #292 on: December 12, 2014, 04:26:39 PM »
A potential accident scene is at Quinta dos Figos, around 500m north of 5A. 

Summary.  Blood was found beside a main road. It was picked up 6 May (I think).  It was tested at the spot and found to be human.  It went into the evidence chain then seems to have disappeared.

Details at shininginluz.wordpress.com.  Google shiningluz "human blood at quinta dos figos"  Apologies for the lack of a link, but I'm not an expert re wordpress and find the format fairly awkward.

Was it Madeleine's?  Probably not but I don't know.
What's up, old man?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #293 on: December 12, 2014, 04:33:17 PM »
The Barragem Da Bravura note is a figment of imagination.

I can see there is a thread devoted to that topic, so I'll explain why there.

This does not make any substantial change to the idea she may have wandered off, as the note is not central to the concept.
What's up, old man?

Offline Anna

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #294 on: December 12, 2014, 04:49:55 PM »
A potential accident scene is at Quinta dos Figos, around 500m north of 5A. 

Summary.  Blood was found beside a main road. It was picked up 6 May (I think).  It was tested at the spot and found to be human.  It went into the evidence chain then seems to have disappeared.

Details at shininginluz.wordpress.com.  Google shiningluz "human blood at quinta dos figos"  Apologies for the lack of a link, but I'm not an expert re wordpress and find the format fairly awkward.

Was it Madeleine's?  Probably not but I don't know.

I never did find the final outcome of the human blood found .....Below is part of the link contents
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I consign to the case files that I proceeded to the withdrawal of vestige nº 3 (evidence bag nº 022917) to which the previous report refers, with the aim of depositing it later.

Conclusion


Portimão
12th June 2007


Signed
Inspector João Carlos


Doc linked in TOC.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic171-70.html
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline jassi

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #295 on: December 12, 2014, 04:52:18 PM »
Perhaps another of these inconclusive profiles.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #296 on: December 12, 2014, 05:03:55 PM »
Perhaps another of these inconclusive profiles.

Possibly ... but weren't other inconclusive results put on record?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #297 on: December 12, 2014, 05:07:12 PM »
Possibly ... but weren't other inconclusive results put on record?

Good point Brietta
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline jassi

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #298 on: December 12, 2014, 05:14:55 PM »
Not all records have been released.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Anna

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #299 on: December 12, 2014, 05:21:01 PM »
Not all records have been released.

That is, of course true, Jassie.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato