Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?

[Angelo222]

No because that's where the evidence points to....making it the most probable reason for Maddie's disappearance

Same old tired mantra Dave.  Fact is there is NO EVIDENCE OF AN ABDUCTION.

The open window,shutter, curtain claim is to say the least, very questionable.  For all anyone knows, someone else opened the shutter and window.

[stephen25000]

No because that's where the evidence points to....making it the most probable reason for Maddie's disappearance

No,not in the slightest.

and the only reason you say abduction, is simple.

The mccanns would be responsible for anything else.

[slartibartfast]

No because that's where the evidence points to....making it the most probable reason for Maddie's disappearance

No, it is the only option that reduces the culpability of the parents.

[Mr Gray]

Same old tired mantra Dave.  Fact is there is NO EVIDENCE OF AN ABDUCTION.

The open window,shutter, curtain claim is to say the least, very questionable.  For all anyone knows, someone else opened the shutter and window.

Then you don't understand what evidence means

[slartibartfast]

Then you don't understand what evidence means

How about the dog alerts.

[Mr Gray]

How about the dog alerts.

Grime has declared they have no evidential reliability...who am I to argue

[Carana]

Same old tired mantra Dave.  Fact is there is NO EVIDENCE OF AN ABDUCTION.

The open window,shutter, curtain claim is to say the least, very questionable.  For all anyone knows, someone else opened the shutter and window.

What evidence would you expect?

There's a thread on that... although not a very popular one.

[Alfred R Jones]

Same old tired mantra Dave.  Fact is there is NO EVIDENCE OF AN ABDUCTION.

The open window,shutter, curtain claim is to say the least, very questionable.  For all anyone knows, someone else opened the shutter and window.

Angelo, ther is no evidence of an accident following a "woke and wandered" scenario yet you seem convinced now that this is what happened.  Why is that?

[ShiningInLuz]

It may have no relevance to the case, but drink driving is simply a fine in Portugal.  They don't take your licence away and there is no totting up procedure.

As a result, drink driving is more of an issue in Portugal than it is in the UK.

The one time the GNR paid us a home visit was because the previous occupant of the villa had a history of drink driving and her car had been involved in yet another accident.  It would be just another fine for her, followed, probably, by more drink driving.

[Carana]

It may have no relevance to the case, but drink driving is simply a fine in Portugal.  They don't take your licence away and there is no totting up procedure.

As a result, drink driving is more of an issue in Portugal than it is in the UK.

The one time the GNR paid us a home visit was because the previous occupant of the villa had a history of drink driving and her car had been involved in yet another accident.  It would be just another fine for her, followed, probably, by more drink driving.

If someone had been killed or seriously injured as a result, wouldn't that lead to a prosecution?

[Brietta]

If someone had been killed or seriously injured as a result, wouldn't that lead to a prosecution?

I think it would Carana; although I have heard it said that some States in America can assist their budgets by targeting vehicles with out of State licence plates for speeding etc. and fining them (don't know how true it may be).

Maybe there is a similar unofficial policy in Portugal?? ... it is on record that Mr Amaral's wife made a written complaint about his drunk driving with his little girl in the car ... I wonder what the result might have been if either of the McCanns had been reported for a similar offence?

Drinking and driving

Portugal has strict drink driving laws. The amount of alcohol allowed in the blood while driving is 0.05%, so just don't do it. Over the alcohol limit and you could face anything from a severe fine, withdrawal of your license, up to imprisonment.
http://www.driving-in.com/portugal/#anchor7

[colombosstogey]

When would she have been knocked down and carried off....? The window of opportunity. If people think she could have wandered out and been knocked down and carried off then its feasible she did go out of the apartment and wandered off somewhere and got picked up by a pervert who was conveniently hanging about, or she wandered off and fell down a hole..

Also one would expect blood to be found on the road at the scene of the accident, and the dogs would have alerted to that surely?

The thing is to run someone over would make a bit of noise......  Also the streets must have been lit up quite well for people to see all these perverts carrying of children....so surely someone would have seen this drama unfolding......?

[Mr Gray]

When would she have been knocked down and carried off....? The window of opportunity. If people think she could have wandered out and been knocked down and carried off then its feasible she did go out of the apartment and wandered off somewhere and got picked up by a pervert who was conveniently hanging about, or she wandered off and fell down a hole..

Also one would expect blood to be found on the road at the scene of the accident, and the dogs would have alerted to that surely?

The thing is to run someone over would make a bit of noise......  Also the streets must have been lit up quite well for people to see all these perverts carrying of children....so surely someone would have seen this drama unfolding......?

So wandering off is not feasible...which only leaves abduction....

[Lace]

I can't see why anyone would carry Madeleine off if run over by accident.

Also surely the accident would have been heard by someone?     Madeleine would have been near other apartments if she had wandered out.   

[Anna]

Expect this one to disappear too, Stephen, the most probable explanation being that they are both seriously off topic.

Correct Brietta.  Now can we all please stay with the topic of the thread