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Offline Brietta

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #390 on: February 21, 2015, 04:04:02 PM »
When would she have been knocked down and carried off....? The window of opportunity. If people think she could have wandered out and been knocked down and carried off then its feasible she did go out of the apartment and wandered off somewhere and got picked up by a pervert who was conveniently hanging about, or she wandered off and fell down a hole..

Also one would expect blood to be found on the road at the scene of the accident, and the dogs would have alerted to that surely?

The thing is to run someone over would make a bit of noise......  Also the streets must have been lit up quite well for people to see all these perverts carrying of children....so surely someone would have seen this drama unfolding......?

A very quick internet search reveals that many children are found wandering in the streets in the middle of the night; the majority are well cared for and their parents are usually under the impression they are still safely tucked up in bed.

There are numerous cases of toddlers leaving nursery or playgroup some of whom travel considerable distances; almost invariably they are heading for home and sometimes even get there.

I couldn't find an instance when any of these children had been subject to being picked off the street by a predator.

Sadly there are also reports of hit and run incidents involving toddlers wandering at night;  in at least one instance the driver left the vehicle to look at the child before driving off; but I could not find a single instance of accidental injury or death caused by a road traffic accident, of the child's body being lifted into the car never to be seen again.

That there was third party involvement at apartment 5A is the only reasonable assumption in Madeleine McCann's case; I think this is supported by the open window and raised shutter ... and until the foreign DNA is identified, that must be a consideration too.

I should have added that I think your analysis sums it up, Colombosstogey.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2015, 04:06:35 PM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #391 on: February 21, 2015, 05:40:08 PM »


This is what the archiving report had to say about the possibility..


As a remote hypothesis, the possibility of the minor leaving the apartment by her own means was explored – that would be highly unlikely physically – and after, because of an accident or by a third person intervention, she would have disappeared.


SY have also not put forward the possibility.....parents not suspects...that leaves only abduction
« Last Edit: February 21, 2015, 06:30:16 PM by Eleanor »

Offline John

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #392 on: March 10, 2015, 01:01:51 PM »
Gerry, just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, see if she’s just wandered out’. (ROB)

So there we have it, the woke and wandered theory initially took precedence regardless of the alleged gang of roaming paedophiles.

I came across the following while searching for something else which is often the way with these things.

It has been claimed that the theory that Madeleine simply wandered out of the apartment is nonsense but the following is a very strong indicator that some very close to the family thought it very possible and what's more, were prepared to say so publicly.

PR operative Alex Woolfall of the Bell-Pottinger Group arrived at the resort within two days of Madeleine’s disappearance. Holiday firm Mark Warner were so concerned by events that they had arranged for the Bell- Pottinger crisis management/damage limitation team to be sent to Portugal. Woolfall was Head of Issues and Crisis Management for the Bell Pottinger Group and had 20 years experience in PR.  He spent the next two weeks in close contact with the McCanns advising them how to keep the media interested.

He stated to the London Times that he heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched. "Certainly I did not hear any discussion that this could be a paedophile or an aggravated robbery. All the time I was around it was whether she could have wandered off and had an accident or somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent.
 
"During the first 48 hours the word being used was 'missing' rather than 'abducted' or any link with a paedophile or any sort of crime. Towards the end of the second week I detected a shift towards there being a consciousness that she had probably been taken rather than wandered off, just on the assumption that anybody would have found her by now."



Dominic Kennedy interviews Alex Woolfall.
www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article2595998.ece
« Last Edit: March 10, 2015, 01:08:45 PM by John »
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Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #393 on: March 10, 2015, 01:12:55 PM »
I came across the following while searching for something else which is often the way with these things.

It has been claimed that the theory that Madeleine simply wandered out of the apartment is nonsense but the following is a very strong indicator that some very close to the family thought it very possible and what's more, were prepared to say so publicly.

PR operative Alex Woolfall of the Bell-Pottinger Group arrived at the resort within two days of Madeleine’s disappearance. Holiday firm Mark Warner were so concerned by events that they had arranged for the Bell- Pottinger crisis management/damage limitation team to be sent to Portugal. Woolfall was Head of Issues and Crisis Management for the Bell Pottinger Group and had 20 years experience in PR.  He spent the next two weeks in close contact with the McCanns advising them how to keep the media interested.

He stated to the London Times that he heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched. "Certainly I did not hear any discussion that this could be a paedophile or an aggravated robbery. All the time I was around it was whether she could have wandered off and had an accident or somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent.
 
"During the first 48 hours the word being used was 'missing' rather than 'abducted' or any link with a paedophile or any sort of crime. Towards the end of the second week I detected a shift towards there being a consciousness that she had probably been taken rather than wandered off, just on the assumption that anybody would have found her by now."



Dominic Kennedy interviews Alex Woolfall.
www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article2595998.ece


I posted re Alex  Woolfall yesterday John. On the correct thread.


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Offline John

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #394 on: March 10, 2015, 01:26:31 PM »

I posted re Alex  Woolfall yesterday John. On the correct thread.


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6114.0#lastPost

Thank you DCI, I haven't read that thread yet.  His comments are extremely pertinent to this thread though.

What do you make of his assessment that Madeleine could have wandered off?
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« Reply #395 on: March 10, 2015, 01:33:07 PM »
Thank you DCI, I haven't read that thread yet.  His comments are extremely pertinent to this thread though.

What do you make of his assessment that Madeleine could have wandered off?


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Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #396 on: March 10, 2015, 01:48:14 PM »
I always keep going back to the first 30 minutes following the discovery that Maddie had gone.  It wasn't an abductor that they were looking for during that period in time, it was a little girl who had got out on her own!!   It is disingenuos therefore for the McCanns to repeat the mantra that she could not have got out on her own.

There is no logical reason why they would have thought that if the evidence pointed directly to an abduction?
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Offline John

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #397 on: March 10, 2015, 02:11:05 PM »
I always keep going back to the first 30 minutes following the discovery that Maddie had gone.  It wasn't an abductor that they were looking for during that period in time, it was a little girl who had got out on her own!!   It is disingenuos therefore for the McCanns to repeat the mantra that she could not have got out on her own.

There is no logical reason why they would have thought that if the evidence pointed directly to an abduction?

I believe the manager of the resort John Hill arrived on the scene within 40 minutes so he saw at first hand what was going on.

He told reporters the next day (4 May) that there was no physical evidence that the girl had been abducted from the apartment while her parents ate at the tapas restaurant 200 yards away.

"It’s still questionable as to whether it’s an abduction," he said. "We are hoping that Madeleine is found as soon as possible and safe and well. Everybody here is just wishing that she is found as soon as possible."


www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550571/Three-year-old-feared-abducted-in-Portugal.html
« Last Edit: March 10, 2015, 02:13:14 PM by John »
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Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #398 on: March 10, 2015, 02:51:54 PM »
Don't you think John Hill and Alex Woolfall would have preferred to push the "woke and wandered" explanation in the early days for fairly obvious reasons?

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #399 on: March 10, 2015, 04:32:48 PM »
Don't you think John Hill and Alex Woolfall would have preferred to push the "woke and wandered" explanation in the early days for fairly obvious reasons?

I would imagine that a company which had hired a crisis management team was first and foremost interested in a PR damage limitation exercise.  Is it too cynical to think 'supporting and advising' the parents of a missing child might very well have come under that umbrella.

Mark Warner are after all in the business of providing family holidays in a safe environment.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #400 on: March 10, 2015, 09:49:45 PM »
I always keep going back to the first 30 minutes following the discovery that Maddie had gone.  It wasn't an abductor that they were looking for during that period in time, it was a little girl who had got out on her own!!   It is disingenuos therefore for the McCanns to repeat the mantra that she could not have got out on her own.

There is no logical reason why they would have thought that if the evidence pointed directly to an abduction?


Yes, I agree with this Angelo.  It is the behaviour, they split up to look for what? an abductor still in the area?

I am not sure about knocked down by a car, I agree with colomboss, no blood? Wandered off and fell into a well or was taken from the street are two very good theories.
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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #401 on: September 27, 2016, 02:31:45 PM »
A very credible possibility and especially so when we know the tracker dogs lost her scent directly across from the mini reception. Could she have been hit by a vehicle as she went down to reception and was thrown towards the car park wherein after the driver lifted her and took her away for fear of the repercussions?

If the PJ needed to do anything differently I believe it should have been to pursue that particular theory.

 8@??)(  hit and  runs   are common  the  person/persons   can panic   and i imagine if   it  was a  child   they would  more  especally if they were speeding ec

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #402 on: September 27, 2016, 05:40:34 PM »
If she was run over or abducted however that would be illegal and I'm sure you'll be the first to condemn in the harshest terms those responsible.
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« Reply #403 on: September 27, 2016, 05:59:09 PM »
If she was run over or abducted however that would be illegal and I'm sure you'll be the first to condemn in the harshest terms those responsible.

Running someone over isn't always illegal.
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Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #404 on: September 27, 2016, 06:13:44 PM »
Running someone over isn't always illegal.
It is if you hide their body afterwards!