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Offline adam

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2014, 10:06:31 PM »
If Jeremy was innocent, surely his callous actions and indifference to the massacre would have put her off him.

She would be relieved to get out. Rather than devastated and vindictive.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2014, 10:35:36 PM »
If Jeremy was innocent, surely his callous actions and indifference to the massacre would have put her off him.

She would be relieved to get out. Rather than devastated and vindictive.

His behaviour post tragedy is subjective and who is to say how he felt inside?  Most men I know don't go around wearing their heart on their sleeve.  The likes of Gladys and Tubby Tesco who share all their woes are unusual.     

Virginia Greaves (girlfriend post JM) seemed to think JM was unsupportive and gave him grief.

Why did JM go off on one when JB invited VG out?  She slapped him, threw an ornament smashing a mirror and attempted to smother him with a pillow so no one else could have him.  That doesn't sound to me like someone relieved to get out.

 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2014, 05:39:36 AM »
Thought they had already spilt up when he asked another woman out in front of her ? She approached the police three days later. She probably didn't like him still treating her badly. After what he had put her through and she had so far kept quiet for him.  Hence the slap. Women have been known to slap men.

Her WS says she put a pillow on his head. Then took it off. Ohhh.

I did not realise Julie already had a degree and was studying for an honours degree. She is now very successful in her chosen field.

Jeremy asked her out. They were together only 20 months. Living in different parts of the country with the relationship in decline/coming to a close six months prior to the massacre according to Jeremy.

Being the age 19 - 21 I can't believe she was that bothered about the break up. Certainly not enough to be so savagely vindictive. But Jeremy has to claim this 
« Last Edit: December 23, 2014, 08:14:49 AM by adam »

Offline adam

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2014, 05:49:30 AM »
I wonder why Bamber was so successful with women.

He was very poor academically, failing all his exams.  Despite being sent to esteemed schools. Becoming a school bully in the process.

He had no other special skills, resulting in him reluctantly returning to farm life as a last resort. Neville giving him limited roles saying he had 'no business sense'.

He had an average wage for working long hours. Things were not likely to change any time soon.

His laungage was very primitive in the 80's and he was not articulate. Even his supporters say he was very lazy and not a nice person. He has improved on these issues while running his 'Campaign for Freedom'.

He was average/good looking. Depending on the haircut.

Maybe it is all a bit of a myth partly built up by Jeremy himself. He did ask Julie out and stayed with her until he felt safe and rich. She was average looking and not a trophy girlfriend.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2014, 08:15:30 AM by adam »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2014, 12:20:02 PM »
I wonder why Bamber was so successful with women.

He was very poor academically, failing all his exams.  Despite being sent to esteemed schools. Becoming a school bully in the process.

He had no other special skills, resulting in him reluctantly returning to farm life as a last resort. Neville giving him limited roles saying he had 'no business sense'.

He had an average wage for working long hours. Things were not likely to change any time soon.

His laungage was very primitive in the 80's and he was not articulate. Even his supporters say he was very lazy and not a nice person. He has improved on these issues while running his 'Campaign for Freedom'.

He was average/good looking. Depending on the haircut.

Maybe it is all a bit of a myth partly built up by Jeremy himself. He did ask Julie out and stayed with her until he felt safe and rich. She was average looking and not a trophy girlfriend.


I think we can safely assume there's so much myth surrounding the so-called WHF murders and Jeremy Bamber that it is difficult to distinguish between fact and fiction!  Well at least for some of us anyway  8(0(*

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2014, 12:38:03 PM »
If Jeremy was innocent, surely his callous actions and indifference to the massacre would have put her off him.

She would be relieved to get out. Rather than devastated and vindictive.

As opposed to being guilty and murdering 5 people?? Yeah, that's a guy you really want to stay with!  @)(++(*

Offline Caroline

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2014, 12:41:35 PM »
Thought they had already spilt up when he asked another woman out in front of her ? She approached the police three days later. She probably didn't like him still treating her badly. After what he had put her through and she had so far kept quiet for him.  Hence the slap. Women have been known to slap men.

Her WS says she put a pillow on his head. Then took it off. Ohhh.

I did not realise Julie already had a degree and was studying for an honours degree. She is now very successful in her chosen field.

Jeremy asked her out. They were together only 20 months. Living in different parts of the country with the relationship in decline/coming to a close six months prior to the massacre according to Jeremy.

Being the age 19 - 21 I can't believe she was that bothered about the break up. Certainly not enough to be so savagely vindictive. But Jeremy has to claim this

No, they were still together (as far as she knew), this is where the 'woman scorned' comes into it but you just keep insisting she wasn't jilted when in fact - she was.

Offline adam

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2014, 04:53:27 AM »


I imagine that the difference between Julie and Brett was darkness and light, Julie representing constraint and Brett representing fun. Jeremy was 24 going on 13. On a scale of 1 to 10 his emotional maturity was about 4. To be fair to Julie, she had certain responsibilities and wanted to be sure of her future. She was probably pushing Jeremy towards making a commitment. She was volatile. Emotional. She put a pillow over Jeremy's face. She stabbed a teddy bear. She threw a bar of soap at him in a supermarket. She smashed a mirror. These are NOT the way in which a woman persuades a man to marry her. C'mon John. WOULD you if the alternative was a great mate with no whinging and no strings?

Julies WS says she threw a bar of soap to him in the Supermarket and it accidentally hit him on the nose.

Offline adam

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2014, 05:05:29 AM »
No, they were still together (as far as she knew), this is where the 'woman scorned' comes into it but you just keep insisting she wasn't jilted when in fact - she was.

Well Julies WS says prior to this Bamber had been telling her he 'wanted to live his own life'.

After hearing Bamber ask another woman out she threatened to go to the police. She had previously threatened this. Bamber saying he was 'so watertight they would not believe her'.

They met one more time after this argument.

Offline adam

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2014, 11:26:50 AM »
I think we can safely assume there's so much myth surrounding the so-called WHF murders and Jeremy Bamber that it is difficult to distinguish between fact and fiction!  Well at least for some of us anyway  8(0(*

I suppose Bamber being made out to be irresistible to women supports the Julie telling lies claim.

Julie not able to accept that irresistible Jeremy did not want her.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2014, 11:49:38 PM »
I suppose Bamber being made out to be irresistible to women supports the Julie telling lies claim.

Julie not able to accept that irresistible Jeremy did not want her.

Who made out he was irresistible to women?  And whether he was or wasn't how would this support any claim that JM told lies?

I think his shagability rating is subjective.  I think he looks attractive in the following pic.  In other pics I don't find him particularly attractive.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  He wasn't Elephant Man but then again he wasn't Brad Pitt either imo.  As you said Adam JM wasn't the trophy girlfriend.  Suzette Ford was imo far more attractive and glamorous. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2014, 08:53:07 AM »
Julie intially spoke to Susan Battersby about what Bamber had done. Then she spoke to Karen and Andy Bishop.

Liz Rimmington and her ex boyfriend were then spoken to, before Stan Jones was invited over.

Julie was relieved that she could tell the truth.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2014, 12:35:52 PM »
Julie intially spoke to Susan Battersby about what Bamber had done. Then she spoke to Karen and Andy Bishop.

Liz Rimmington and her ex boyfriend were then spoken to, before Stan Jones was invited over.

Julie was relieved that she could tell the truth.

I would have thought the time to tell the truth was when JM left the morgue with AE having identified the victims. 

I will never be able to take anthing JM says seriously.  CC tells in his book how on Saturday 3rd August 1985 he held a party at his London home. SC, JM and JB attended.  CC makes a point of telling how JM put the twins to bed and read them a bedtime story; two little boys just turned 6 yoa.  This no doubt included some affection perhaps a hug, kiss and ruffling or stroking their hair.  With hindsight this was very poignant for CC as it was sadly the last opportunity he would ever have of putting the twins to bed which he missed. Less than 5 days later on Thursday 8th August JM is taken to the morgue by AE to identify the victims including the twins.  To my mind this just doesn't bear thinking about.  Surely seeing those two little boys with shaven heads and gunshot wounds would bring the truth home then and there? 

JM claims JB told her on 7th August he arranged for MM to carry out the murders.  If this is true how  on earth could she continue an intimate relationship with a man capable of orchestrating such an act?  She was not some silly 'love struck' teenage girl.  She was almost 21yoa and studying for a masters degree.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2014, 12:39:34 PM »
I would have thought the time to tell the truth was when JM left the morgue with AE having identified the victims. 

I will never be able to take anthing JM says seriously.  CC tells in his book how on Saturday 3rd August 1985 he held a party at his London home. SC, JM and JB attended.  CC makes a point of telling how JM put the twins to bed and read them a bedtime story; two little boys just turned 6 yoa.  This no doubt included some affection perhaps a hug, kiss and ruffling or stroking their hair.  With hindsight this was very poignant for CC as it was sadly the last opportunity he would ever have of putting the twins to bed which he missed. Less than 5 days later on Thursday 8th August JM is taken to the morgue by AE to identify the victims including the twins.  To my mind this just doesn't bear thinking about.  Surely seeing those two little boys with shaven heads and gunshot wounds would bring the truth home then and there? 

JM claims JB told her on 7th August he arranged for MM to carry out the murders.  If this is true how  on earth could she continue an intimate relationship with a man capable of orchestrating such an act?  She was not some silly 'love struck' teenage girl.  She was almost 21yoa and studying for a masters degree.

The thread post says why she waited a month. Lots of reasons.

Offline APRIL

Re: Why did Julie wait a month before speaking to the police ?
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2014, 01:08:20 PM »
Jeremy's supporters often criticise Julie for not going to the police straight away.

There are lots of reasons why she approached the police a month later-


She was Jeremy's girlfriend.

She loved Jeremy and said she was under his spell.

She was in shock.

She was afraid of what Jeremy may do if he found out.

She tried to deny it to herself that the man she loved was involved.

Jeremy had said that he had paid MM £2,000 to commit the massacre. Julie said she knew Jeremy did not have this money available. So she would have clung to the possibility that Jeremy was making false boasts. Maybe it was Sheila.

She was 20 years old. We all make wrong decisions when so young.

Jeremy had said he was 'watertight' and it was an 'open and shut case'. He said Julie would not be believed.

She was afraid she would be implicating herself. Being aware of his hatred and resentment towards his family,  and previous plans.

While still in shock, she gave a statement early on. So was afraid that changing her statement days or weeks later may put her in trouble.

She was afraid she would not be believed. Making herself look stupid and getting in trouble with the police for making false claims. In a TV interview she said Jeremy said 'there was nothing she could have done on the night, and there is nothing she can do now'
 

She was caught in the eye of a hurricane. Police,  relatives and the media always around, funerals to attend. Jeremy getting police cars to pick her up, then whisking her off to Amsterdam the weekend after the massacre.

She had no one to speak to at first. Being with Jeremy most of the time after the massacre. She did not want to attend the funeral or continuously go around with Jeremy & Brett. But was persuaded to by Jeremy.

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It is true she approached the police, (via Liz Rimmington) after they had spilt up. After finally getting to speak to other people she trusted.  She was hardly likely to approach the police while still Jeremy's girlfriend, was she ?

Jeremy said the relationship had been in decline for six months prior to the massacre. They were both young and living miles away from each other.  The massacre probably speeded up the ending of the relationship by a few weeks.  After Julie had come to terms with the massacre and cleared her head.

It is not conclusive about who jilted who. Although Jeremy has always weakly said Julie spoke to the police and testified because he jilted her. But he has never said scorned women are just as likely to tell the truth.

Speaking to the police a month later seems quite normal to me (see above). Making these claims months of years later, after moving in with or marrying Jeremy would have looked much worse. Although politician's wife Chris Hulme did just that ten years later after he left her. Hulme was found guilty.

She was brave in approaching the police. Jeremy had not been arrested and the silencer evidence had not come back from the lab. The police could have laughed her out of the station. Or charged her with wasting police time. Or both.



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1. According to you the relationship was in decline by mutual consent.

2. That being the case, how can 1. be true?

3. Possibly, but it doesn't prove non complicity.

4. Afraid enough to share his bed, take all he offered AND attempt to smother him.

5. But she admitted to knowing what he was planning.

6. She SAID Jeremy said. His bank balance was in credit.

7. She was a 21 year old doing a Masters.

8. If he said it, perhaps he was reassuring HER.

9. Probably, if she'd always been in on it.

10. Same could be said of Jeremy. Shock isn't only in the domain of the innocent.

11. So she made certain she was by effectively wiping her hands of it in public.

12. She was a free agent and was intelligent enough to make her own choices. She loved the limelight. Who else was going to pay for her trips abroad.

13. What a sacrifice on her part. Having to share his bed, take his money, accept his hospitality, like his friends. You insist she was his girlfriend. Is this not what girlfriends do, especially those who are hoping for a wedding ring at the end of their "sacrifice".