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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2019, 07:20:46 PM »
I’m struggling to see what lessons Sandra Lean has learned since Simon Hall’s confession in 2013 and subsequent death in custody?

If there are men, and women, like Simon Hall who are conning others (some for years and decades at a time) claiming innocence and using things like the circumstantial evidence in their trials/cases that convicted them;

How do people like Sandra Lean decipher the con artists from the genuinely factually innocent?

It should be noted Simon Hall also conned forensic psychologists during his time behind bars.
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2019, 10:04:18 PM »
If there are men, and women, like Simon Hall who are conning others (some for years and decades at a time) claiming innocence and using things like the circumstantial evidence in their trials/cases that convicted them;

How do people like Sandra Lean decipher the con artists from the genuinely factually innocent?

It should be noted Simon Hall also conned forensic psychologists during his time behind bars.

A positive to take out of a negative here, IMO is, for every 1 person who focuses on false and inaccurate information, there are hundreds more who don't. A very low % of the population take the time to base any opinion via media tactics, what are the odds therefore when narrowed down to forums and books?

Through my years of study ( in 3 different subjects) nothing has moved forward in this case, if anything it has become less of a topic of interest. A POA that is no more, a major break down of communication between the author and the subjects.

IMO through study into the mind and shock, recollection of events within this, it is pushed to the back with no insight at all. So blatantly obvious for anyone to take real time, to see this was perhaps the laddies greatest downfall. Precision, on everything, as was his mams.  What study did Dr Lean do in regards to the workings of a mind in shock, I would guess, Just a guess, none.

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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2019, 10:42:53 PM »
Through my years of study ( in 3 different subjects) nothing has moved forward in this case, if anything it has become less of a topic of interest. A POA that is no more, a major break down of communication between the author and the subjects.

I get a sense of desperation.

What’s the motivation to drip feed snippets of 16 year old witness statements? Who does it discredit?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2019, 11:21:28 PM »
A positive to take out of a negative here, IMO is, for every 1 person who focuses on false and inaccurate information, there are hundreds more who don't. A very low % of the population take the time to base any opinion via media tactics, what are the odds therefore when narrowed down to forums and books?

At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html @ approx 18.03 when she announces she had attended Nick Rose’s funeral the day before; she mentions the alleged witnesses who claim to have seen Charlotte Pinkney alive after it was claimed she was murdered.

In the Simon Hall case several witnesses claimed to have heard glass breaking/smashing or noises at around 2am. IF they heard noises or glass breaking/smashing it wasn’t linked to the murder. There wasn’t one witness, that I’m aware of, who heard the victims kitchen window being smashed at around 6am ish.
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2019, 07:02:50 PM »
At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html @ approx 18.03 when she announces she had attended Nick Rose’s funeral the day before; she mentions the alleged witnesses who claim to have seen Charlotte Pinkney alive after it was claimed she was murdered.

In the Simon Hall case several witnesses claimed to have heard glass breaking/smashing or noises at around 2am. IF they heard noises or glass breaking/smashing it wasn’t linked to the murder. There wasn’t one witness, that I’m aware of, who heard the victims kitchen window being smashed at around 6am ish.

Will come back to this


@ approx 46.12 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fqQ7lnucUMI talking about the Luke Mitchell case Sandra Lean states;

there were a number of witnesses the defence wanted to call and they were disallowed for one reason or another

When referring to the expert on recall in relation to AB’s evidence she says

Speaking in particular about the lady who very clearly would have been being influenced with stories going and back and forth with such close proximity the fact that..

they wouldn’t allow him to give evidence because he hadn’t examined the lady in question

She then goes on,

We know psychologists know that the impact on recall of additional information - that wasn’t enough - that was disallowed

What does she know?

In the Simon Hall case it’s clear Lynne Hall did indeed influence the numerous witnesses who came forward claiming to have heard noises at around 2am.

However I find it interesting how Sandra Lean states it like its fact that X amount of witnesses saw Charlotte Pinkney alive after she was murdered ergo Nick Rose must be innocent. What about recall?

Does she not think the witnesses in the Nick Rose case very clearly would have been being influenced with stories going back and forth etc? https://court-appeal.vlex.co.uk/vid/-52563793

The appeal court judges did

Lawyers for Rose, 24, said Charlotte was seen alive more than 12 hours after she was alleged to have been murdered.
“But The Court of Appeal judges said on Friday there was ample evidence the witnesses were mistaken in their recollection

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/5109670.stm
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2019, 12:01:18 PM »
At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html

Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656

Sandra Lean stated in Jan 2017:
Interesting case, with a number of apparent anomalies (I know nothing about this case - this is the first time I've heard anything about it.
How, though, can the prosecution claim he attempted to withdraw £200 - the pin number was wrong, so he wouldn't have even got to the point of entering an amount.

“The claimed DNA match which secured the eventual conviction in the Matthew Hamlen case, following an exoneration and a retrial, DNA which had previously returned firstly a "no match" and then a dubious "partial match," miraculously turns up a couple of years later as a full match?

“As I've said before, I know very little about this case, but alarm bells start ringing when the magic bullet of a claimed "full DNA match" turns up in such questionable circumstances.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384314.html#msg384314


Could Matthew Hamlen’s motive have a sexual element?
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2019, 01:47:13 PM »
Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656

Sandra Lean stated in Jan 2017:
Interesting case, with a number of apparent anomalies (I know nothing about this case - this is the first time I've heard anything about it.
How, though, can the prosecution claim he attempted to withdraw £200 - the pin number was wrong, so he wouldn't have even got to the point of entering an amount.

“The claimed DNA match which secured the eventual conviction in the Matthew Hamlen case, following an exoneration and a retrial, DNA which had previously returned firstly a "no match" and then a dubious "partial match," miraculously turns up a couple of years later as a full match?

“As I've said before, I know very little about this case, but alarm bells start ringing when the magic bullet of a claimed "full DNA match" turns up in such questionable circumstances.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384314.html#msg384314


Could Matthew Hamlen’s motive have a sexual element?

”Horrifyingly, the meticulous grandmother, who’d stayed glamorous into her sunset years, had her trousers around her knees.
Her underpants had also partially been pulled down.”

(Real People 4 Oct 2018 - Murder Map)

Matthew Hamlen said he could not be sure if he had sex with Georgina Edmonds
https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/14265690.matthew-hamlen-said-he-could-not-be-sure-if-he-had-sex-with-georgina-edmonds/
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2019, 08:28:06 PM »
”Horrifyingly, the meticulous grandmother, who’d stayed glamorous into her sunset years, had her trousers around her knees.
Her underpants had also partially been pulled down.”

(Real People 4 Oct 2018 - Murder Map)

Matthew Hamlen said he could not be sure if he had sex with Georgina Edmonds
https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/14265690.matthew-hamlen-said-he-could-not-be-sure-if-he-had-sex-with-georgina-edmonds/

Has Matthew Hamlen confessed?

https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com/
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2019, 01:31:58 PM »
Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656

Sandra Lean stated in Jan 2017:
Interesting case, with a number of apparent anomalies (I know nothing about this case - this is the first time I've heard anything about it.
How, though, can the prosecution claim he attempted to withdraw £200 - the pin number was wrong, so he wouldn't have even got to the point of entering an amount.

“The claimed DNA match which secured the eventual conviction in the Matthew Hamlen case, following an exoneration and a retrial, DNA which had previously returned firstly a "no match" and then a dubious "partial match," miraculously turns up a couple of years later as a full match?

“As I've said before, I know very little about this case, but alarm bells start ringing when the magic bullet of a claimed "full DNA match" turns up in such questionable circumstances.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384314.html#msg384314


Could Matthew Hamlen’s motive have a sexual element?

The direct link has now been made private?

Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2019, 07:38:20 PM »
Has Matthew Hamlen confessed?

https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com/

Why does it appear Peter Martin is no longer backing Matthew Hamlen’s claims?

Has Sandra Lean and the “Long road to justice” organisation taken over the case?

Regarding MOJO Scotland and Luke Mitchell’s case, Sandra Lean recently told STV news,

”Part of the problem was the promises being made were not being kept. The case review itself was something of a farce. There was no central strategy. There was no planned route to how this review was going to take place.

"The idea of having the Luke Mitchell case, this huge case on their books, was good publicity for them."

"I was going to say it's a disaster but if they're not doing the work, they're giving false hope to people and that, in the circumstances these people are in, that it shocking, that is dreadful.

https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1439054-miscarriages-of-justice-charity-stripped-of-lottery-funding/

The Matthew Hamlen/Sandra Lean podcasts are still available here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/

Dr Sandra Lean presents Episode 1 of a 6 part series on Matthew’s case,  examining the horrific murder of an old lady, the relentless pursuit, not once, but twice, of a man who insists he is completely innocent, a police investigation spanning 8 years and two trials reportedly costing together over...

But doesn’t appear to be available here https://player.fm/series/justice-in-jeopardy-the-matthew-hamlen-case
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And appears to have been removed from Sandra Leans you tube channel?

Though she highlighted Matthew Hamlen’s case on 22nd June 2019 in London?

At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2019, 10:16:09 PM »
At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html @ approx 18.03 when she announces she had attended Nick Rose’s funeral the day before; she mentions the alleged witnesses who claim to have seen Charlotte Pinkney alive after it was claimed she was murdered.

In the Simon Hall case several witnesses claimed to have heard glass breaking/smashing or noises at around 2am. IF they heard noises or glass breaking/smashing it wasn’t linked to the murder. There wasn’t one witness, that I’m aware of, who heard the victims kitchen window being smashed at around 6am ish.

It was claimed Simon Halls mother put the rumour mill into action in the village re the alleged earlier noises, which makes sense.

Why did Sandra Lean choose to broadcast Nick Rose’s death to the “innovation of justice” meeting?

She was also keen to post Simon Halls death on Billy Middleton’s Wrongly Accused website too?

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Everyone associated with Wrongly Accused Person, and indeed United Against Injustice were saddened and shocked to hear the news, and would like to express our sincere condolences to Simon's nearest and dearest. There can be no dispute that recent years have been difficult for them, however now in their darkest hour I feel it appropriate to acknowledge not only the traumatic effect that his passing will have on those who truly cared for him, but also that he may well have been innocent after all. Our thoughts are with his family at this sad time.
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2019, 10:23:26 PM »
It’s a shame Gordo30 over on blue hasn’t yet cottoned on to the fact he’s being duped.

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I'm not sure I understand your post in relation to "he was innocent" there may be something I don't know but surely the innocence debate is finished.

I would like to reiterate  that of others in my condolences to anyone affected by by the tragedy of a mans death but what surrounded it has been to much too soon for me.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2019, 10:59:56 PM »
Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656

Sandra Lean stated in Jan 2017:
Interesting case, with a number of apparent anomalies (I know nothing about this case - this is the first time I've heard anything about it.
How, though, can the prosecution claim he attempted to withdraw £200 - the pin number was wrong, so he wouldn't have even got to the point of entering an amount.

“The claimed DNA match which secured the eventual conviction in the Matthew Hamlen case, following an exoneration and a retrial, DNA which had previously returned firstly a "no match" and then a dubious "partial match," miraculously turns up a couple of years later as a full match?

“As I've said before, I know very little about this case, but alarm bells start ringing when the magic bullet of a claimed "full DNA match" turns up in such questionable circumstances.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384314.html#msg384314


Could Matthew Hamlen’s motive have a sexual element?

”Horrifyingly, the meticulous grandmother, who’d stayed glamorous into her sunset years, had her trousers around her knees.
Her underpants had also partially been pulled down.”

(Real People 4 Oct 2018 - Murder Map)

Matthew Hamlen said he could not be sure if he had sex with Georgina Edmonds
https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/14265690.matthew-hamlen-said-he-could-not-be-sure-if-he-had-sex-with-georgina-edmonds/

?

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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2019, 11:49:46 AM »
And appears to have been removed from Sandra Leans you tube channel?

Though she highlighted Matthew Hamlen’s case on 22nd June 2019 in London?

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLSdT-uIALUa6vVzxNc0MsUKPMoJtwbt

Re website and (partial) YouTube video removal from WWW - According to Ron Cufley “the expert witness has complained that it was harassing her?”

Which makes no sense because Sandra Leans 6 part series can still be listened to here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2019, 12:58:22 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLSdT-uIALUa6vVzxNc0MsUKPMoJtwbt

Re website and (partial) YouTube video removal from WWW - According to Ron Cufley “the expert witness has complained that it was harassing her?”

Which makes no sense because Sandra Leans 6 part series can still be listened to here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

And the disclaimer at the bottom of the link above reads:

Disclaimer: ”The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from MatthewHamlenisInnocent.wordpress.com, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
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