The two bodies in the kitchen claim :

[adam]

There is a perfectly logical explanation for the initial 'two bodies in the kitchen' report. 

An officer looking into the kitchen from outside by mistake reported a woman (Neville) in the kitchen. A raid team officer gained entrance and then reported the same person, a male (Neville) in the kitchen. In error on the night this became 'one male & one female' in the kitchen. 

This has not stopped Bamber, decades later claiming Sheila was in the kitchen ( with a bullet in her neck). She went upstairs after the raid team entered WHF without being seen. Then shot herself again upstairs.  The police/raid team being so ashamed of this they decided to frame Bamber. One month later. No one breaking ranks in 29 years. 

Was the rifle upstairs ? There has never been a report of a rifle being seen in the kitchen. 

That means Sheila shot herself upstairs. Then went downstairs to the kitchen without the rifle.  Then back up stairs after the raid team entered (without being seen), to shoot herself again.  

Quite why Sheila went downstairs to the kitchen after shooting herself once upstairs I do not know. If she wanted to commit suicide, why not shoot herself again upstairs straight away ? 

Or she shot herself downstairs in the kitchen. Went upstairs and left the rifle there. Then went back downstairs to the kitchen without the rifle. Then went back upstairs after the raid team entered WHF to shoot herself again (without being seen). Again quite why she would do all this I do not know. 

A lot of walking for a woman with a bullet in her neck. She also magically avoided getting vertical blood lines or blood on her hands during her walk abouts.

The pathologist said it would have been impossible to shoot herself twice. The pain and shock of the first bullet being so great. However it seems that Sheila not only shot herself twice, but went on extended walk abouts. There were also two cartridges next to Sheila upstairs.

Is it for closure on the 'two bodies found in the kitchen' claim ?

[Holly Goodhead]

Adam I'm so glad that I'm not the only one that writes long rambling posts   

See my thread/post re SC potentially seen in the kitchen:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4114.msg151671#msg151671

The pathologist never said that SC could not inflict the two gunshot wounds herself.  He specifically stated that SC could have moved around after the first shot.  He thought it unlikely due to the lack of blood staining on her nightdress.  See the relevant section of the CoA doc although this does appear to be at odds slightly with other documentary evidence provided by Dr Vanezis in terms of mobility, but not the ability to shoot herself twice.

45. Sheila Caffell was also dressed in her nightwear and bare-footed. She had received two contact or near contact bullet wounds to her throat. The higher of the two wounds would have killed her almost instantaneously. The lower of the two would have been a fatal injury but not one where death would have occurred immediately and a person having suffered such an injury may have been able to stand up and walk around for a little time. The lack of heavy blood staining to Sheila Caffell's nightdress suggested that this had not happened here. The lower of the two injuries must have been the first since it had led to haemorrhaging inside the neck and this would not have occurred to the same extent if the other wound, which would have been immediately fatal, had preceded it. Dr Vanezis gave evidence that the nature of the blood stains to the nightdress suggested that Sheila Caffell was sitting up when she received both injuries. After the second injury she would have immediately fallen back. There was no evidence of any other mark or injury to Sheila Caffell's body such as might be suffered during a fight or in a scuffle.

You state JB claims this that and the other well perhaps we would too if we were the victims of a MoJ.  JB doesn't have access to the outside world and is largely dependent on others some of whom could be considered cranky.  They range from the bogus lawyer Giovanni Di Stefano to Cranky Mike Tesco to emotionally unstable women. 

[adam]

Emotionally unstable women ?

Why do you think Sheila would have gone on a walk about after shooting herself once ?

[Holly Goodhead]

Emotionally unstable women ?

Why do you think Sheila would have gone on a walk about after shooting herself once ?

Yes I think a lot of women who 'support' male prisoners serving life/lengthy prison sentences are emotionally unstable.  I can't name any specifically with JB but I wouldn't mind betting there are a fair few behind the scenes either now or in the past or both.

I don't think SC went on a walk about after shooting herself once.  I am just saying that the pathologist said it was physiologically possible.  I agree with the pathologist that it is extremely unlikely that SC moved from the location she was found in (bedroom FLOOR) after the first shot, which can surely be evidenced by the lack of blood staining to her nightdress.

[John]

Yes I think a lot of women who 'support' male prisoners serving life/lengthy prison sentences are emotionally unstable.  I can't name any specifically with JB but I wouldn't mind betting there are a fair few behind the scenes either now or in the past or both.

I don't think SC went on a walk about after shooting herself once.  I am just saying that the pathologist said it was physiologically possible.  I agree with the pathologist that it is extremely unlikely that SC moved from the location she was found in (bedroom FLOOR) after the first shot, which can surely be evidenced by the lack of blood staining to her nightdress.

Sheila never moved after the first shot evidenced by the directional blood trails on her neck which ran to the side and weren't vertically orientated as one would expect with someone sitting or standing up.