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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2015, 02:12:25 PM »
Gina De Jesus turned up alive by the way, despite the fact that cadaver dog alerted in the house of a suspect who turned out to have nothing to do with her disappearance.  Just wanted to be clear on that point.  ?{)(**

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2015, 02:20:37 PM »
In September 2006, police acting on a tip tore up the concrete floor of the garage and used a cadaver dog to search unsuccessfully for DeJesus's body. Investigators confiscated 19 pieces of evidence during their search but declined to comment on the significance of the items then.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/3-ohio-women-missing-for-years-found-alive-1.1391759

Search for Gina DeJesus comes up empty

Almost 10 hours after police began combing through a house on Cleveland's West Side, the anxious family of Gina DeJesus got word that the missing girl had not been found.

The news, delivered by an FBI agent who stayed with the family all day, gave the girl's parents some relief but rekindled the heartache they have felt every day since April 2, 2004 – the day she disappeared on her way home from Wilbur Wright Middle School.

“I know deep in my heart that my baby's still out there,” Gina's mother, Nancy Ruiz, said.

Certain that her daughter is still alive, she pleaded for whoever has Gina to “let her go. Just let her go so she can come home.”

Gina's father, Felix DeJesus, looked drained and close to tears when the search ended about 7:30 p.m. He said the news didn't make dealing with Gina's disappearance easier. He said the hardest part remains not knowing what happened to his daughter.

She was 14 when she disappeared.

The house police searched belongs to Mathew Hurayt, a 35-year-old registered sexual predator, who was arrested Thursday. Police had received a tip that Gina's body was buried under the garage.

Police also arrested John McDonough, a man who lived at Hurayt's house. They were both held on suspicion of aggravated murder. But by nightfall, Cmdr. Ed Tomba said neither man would be charged in Gina's disappearance.

Hurayt and McDonough, however, were kept in City Jail overnight.

This is at least the fifth time police have executed a search warrant in the case only to come up empty-handed.

“We're disappointed that the search wasn't as fruitful as we hoped,” police Lt. Thomas Stacho said. “But we would have been remiss if we didn't investigate this lead.”

Early in the day, Mark Marein, a lawyer representing Hurayt in a separate case, guaranteed that his client was innocent and police were wasting their time searching the house. News that his client had been cleared Friday night raised his ire about how the search was handled.

“Well, isn't that a surprise?” Marein said. “Did they find Jimmy Hoffa instead?”

He chastised police for causing irreparable harm to Hurayt's reputation.

“They ought to be ashamed of themselves,” Marein said. “He's already been tried and convicted in the media. It is insulting how they could do this to this man. Terribly insulting.”

Stacho defended his department's actions. He said that after receiving the tip, investigators were morally and ethically obligated to conduct the search.

He said public records laws prevented police from withholding the names of the men and that the media made the decision to name them without waiting for charges to be filed.

With the help of the FBI, police began to search the house about 10 a.m. The presence of dozens of police, several media trucks and TV helicopters hovering overhead drew hundreds of people.

Among them was one of Hurayt's childhood friends, Tamara Keener, who no longer lives in the neighborhood. She said she didn't believe Hurayt was capable of murder.

“Yeah, he's a sex offender. But he served his time and learned his lesson,” she said. “I can't believe he would do anything like that.”

During the search, detectives and FBI agents went through each room of the house collecting evidence. City public service workers cut the garage's cement floor into sections and removed the pieces. A backhoe scraped away the sandy foundation. In all, police dug nearly 5 feet. They also dug nearly 3 feet beneath a doghouse.

They found nothing to connect Hurayt or McDonough to Gina's disappearance. About 7:30 p.m., they concluded they were in the wrong place.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/search_for_gina_dejesus_comes.html
« Last Edit: January 04, 2015, 02:28:35 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2015, 02:30:06 PM »
How many instances are there of missing persons turning up alive after cadaver dog alerts?

For example, Shannon Mathews, there was a dog alert in that case, yet she turned up alive!

Can members here give any other examples of missing persons cases where dogs alerted but missing persons turned up alive?

Each and every dog trained to detect cadavers has their own unique ability so it is impossible to properly consider your question. In any event it is the handler and not the dog who determines what an alert means and we all know how infallible humans are.

De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2015, 02:30:45 PM »
Gina De Jesus turned up alive by the way, despite the fact that cadaver dog alerted in the house of a suspect who turned out to have nothing to do with her disappearance.  Just wanted to be clear on that point.  ?{)(**

Better find another example as that's a myth old boy. Police got a tip off to dig under the garage not from a cadaver dog.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Carana

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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2015, 02:35:46 PM »
So that's a no from you aswell then.

Anyone else?

No, it's not a "no" from me.

The question is unanswerable.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2015, 02:45:24 PM »
Better find another example as that's a myth old boy. Police got a tip off to dig under the garage not from a cadaver dog.

So this is a lie then?  Prove it.

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Two of the locations where the dog sat, the indicator used to alert police, were in Hurayt's garage, where an informant told investigators Hurayt had buried the girl's body beneath a freshly poured concrete floor. Investigators tore up the floor in the garage and under a doghouse.

The dog also alerted to a location in the house, Driscoll said.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2015, 02:47:45 PM »
Better find another example as that's a myth old boy. Police got a tip off to dig under the garage not from a cadaver dog.
If you read the article I quoted it acknowledged that police received a tip off from an informant.  They supposedly received corroboration from the tip off by the alert of the cadaver dog, in fact it's probably a very good example of unconscious handler bias.  I have provided proof of another case of a false alert in a missing person case, one where the missing person turned up alive.  This must be very galling for you, I admit. @)(++(*

Offline Angelo222

Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2015, 03:06:34 PM »
No, it's not a "no" from me.

The question is unanswerable.

The question would be better rephrased as, how many instances are there of missing persons turning up alive after a police dog handler calls a positive alert to a cadaver?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Carana

Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2015, 03:23:27 PM »
The question would be better rephrased as, how many instances are there of missing persons turning up alive after a police dog handler calls a positive alert to a cadaver?

Alternatively, how many cadaver dog handlers have publicised false alerts?

ferryman

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2015, 03:28:43 PM »
Most cadaver dogs react to the scent of blood.

I don't believe Morse does.


Alfred R Jones

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2015, 03:36:19 PM »
The question would be better rephrased as, how many instances are there of missing persons turning up alive after a police dog handler calls a positive alert to a cadaver?
How many instances are required before people start to accept that cadaver dogs and / or their handlers sometimes get things wrong? 

ferryman

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2015, 03:41:33 PM »
Alternatively, how many cadaver dog handlers have publicised false alerts?

Also, you need to define 'false alert.

An alert within a dog's scent-range might, simply, be of no value to a criminal enquiry.

Eddie's alert to Gerry's blood in the Renault Scenic is a classic example; a reaction within the dog's trained repertoire but just not helpful to the enquiry.

So not a false alert.

Just confounding rather than assisting.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2015, 04:08:12 PM »
Always remembering that one dog alone cannot provide 'positive' cadaver indication since as has already been pointed out, they also react to blood and other body compounds some of which could belong to a living person.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2015, 04:10:46 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Carana

Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2015, 04:55:03 PM »
Also, you need to define 'false alert.

An alert within a dog's scent-range might, simply, be of no value to a criminal enquiry.

Eddie's alert to Gerry's blood in the Renault Scenic is a classic example; a reaction within the dog's trained repertoire but just not helpful to the enquiry.

So not a false alert.

Just confounding rather than assisting.


Yes, I agree. I should have said a false or irrelevant alert.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2015, 06:04:55 PM »
So, apart from in the case of Shannon Matthews and the case of Gina De Jesus does anyone know of any other cases where a cadaver dog alerted in a missing persons case and the missing person then turned up alive?  How many cases do we need to find in order to prove or disprove whatever it is we are trying to prove or disprove, does anyone know?