Cadaver Dog Alerts, Missing Person Turns Up Alive.

[Montclair]

So, apart from in the case of Shannon Matthews and the case of Gina De Jesus does anyone know of any other cases where a cadaver dog alerted in a missing persons case and the missing person then turned up alive?  How many cases do we need to find in order to prove or disprove whatever it is we are trying to prove or disprove, does anyone know?

AFAIK, in the Shannon Matthews case, the dog alerted to the bed because an old man had died in it years before and the parents had bought it 2nd hand.

[Alfred R Jones]

So now it's about the number of alerts is it?  Only 3 in the Gina DeJesus case, so it doesn't really count, is that what you're saying...?

[Alfred R Jones]

AFAIK, in the Shannon Matthews case, the dog alerted to the bed because an old man had died in it years before and the parents had bought it 2nd hand.

And your point is...?

[Mr Gray]

AFAIK, in the Shannon Matthews case, the dog alerted to the bed because an old man had died in it years before and the parents had bought it 2nd hand.

Yes I heard this....I also heard that the Jersey coconut had fallen off a tree, hit someone on the head and killed them....so the alert was in fact genuine.

[slartibartfast]

Yes I heard this....I also heard that the Jersey coconut had fallen off a tree, hit someone on the head and killed them....so the alert was in fact genuine.

Which bit of human bones were found don't you understand?

[ferryman]

There's no perhaps about it. Eddie solves crimes and he solved this one. It's up to SY to corroborate his alerts and new forensics are on their way Ferryman.

Eddie (indeed any dog!) gives alerts to scents.

Humans solve crimes.

[pathfinder73]

Eddie (indeed any dog!) gives alerts to scents.

Humans solve crimes.

The dogs show them the way. That's why they are used. Why do police use them? Gerry thinks because they are unreliable  He forgot to tell SY this when they used cadaver dogs in the summer  *&*%£

[Brietta]

Here is a challenge to anyone game enough to take it up.

Find where Mark Harrison makes reference in his report to the inspection in the gym.

I'll give you a clue.

There is one, after it had happened.

But there is none before ...

Just off the top of my head ... would that be when he passed over literature which gave instruction on how such a search should be conducted?

[ferryman]

Just off the top of my head ... would that be when he passed over literature which gave instruction on how such a search should be conducted?

Well done!

Yes it would.

Here it is, key part underlined:

The timeline of these searches was as follows:

 

On 31-07-07 the PJ conducted canine searches with a search warrant at apartments in Praia da Luz that had been previously occupied by the McCanns and their friends.

 

On 01-08-07 the PJ and GNR assisted by a canine, conducted searches on the eastern beach and wasteland in Praia da Luz.

 

On 02-08-07 the PJ conducted a search warrant at a villa in Praia da Luz currently occupied by the McCann family.

 

Later the same day PJ officers conducted a screening procedure involving items removed from the McCann’s villa.

 

On 03-08-07 PJ and GNR officers were given instruction based on translated extracts from NPIA doctrine on search management and procedures. This focused on search procedures relating to buildings and vehicles.

 

On 04-08-07 and 05-08-07 a search warrant was executed at the villa and gardens belonging to the PJ suspect Robert Murat. This search involved both PJ and GNR personnel supported by civil defence, geophysical equipment operators and a canine handler.

 

On 06-08-07 ten vehicles were searched associated to the enquiry.

 

On 07-08-07 the western beach and remaining wasteland areas were searched using canine and GNR personnel.

 

On 08-08-07 the drains around the apartment block where Madeleine McCann disappeared from were subject to a visual inspection by PJ officers.

Mark Harrison.

[Carana]

Madeleine is wearing a pink skirt/dress in the pool photo and the pink elastic band.

1&2 - One envelope containing one (01) elastic band made of synthetic material, used to tie hair.

1 - Page 287 (Marked: 1 & 2) An undated and unsigned hand-written note, very difficult to read but appearing to be written by a police officer from Aljezur, stating that on 4 (or 9) May around 06:00am (s)he found an 'elastica para o cabelo' (hair elastic?), abandoned/lost on the floor of (what could be) the back of the parents' bedroom.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SUNDRYS.htm

- She was wearing a pink top. The bottom half seems to be white.

- What would some unidentified police officer from Aljezur be doing in a crime scene apartment in PdL?

[Brietta]

What a total load of bollox. Those dogs are trained daily to keep them in top condition. They are professionals.

It really was a total load of bollox, wasn't it though.

Eddie's alerts which came within the parameters of his training ... consisted of barking.  Mouthing over evidence could be considered very bad practice indeed.

All that tossing around and playing with cuddlecat was unprofessional; as was the picking up in his mouth and throwing around the clothing he was running over; not to mention who it is 'buried' within the concrete wall of the public car park which Eddie was so desperate to tell us about.

[DCI]

Another crime solved by Eddie.

Devon, UK
A female was abducted and her whereabouts were unknown. The suspect was a bus driver. An initial search by the E.V.R.D. alerted at a location near to a sighting of the suspect in suspicious circumstances. A forensic search at the alert location revealed a small button off of the girls clothing in long grass. The offender confessed to the murder and confirmed her body had been initially temporarily placed at the dog's alert location.

A few contradictions to what Grime said.

Scaffolder given life for Charlotte murder
Last updated at 13:50 17 February 2005

Scaffolder Nicholas Rose was today found guilty of murdering missing 16-year-old Charlotte Pinkney by a jury at Exeter Crown Court.

Rose, 23, of Foreland View, Ilfracombe, north Devon, had denied murdering Charlotte between February 27 and March 8 last year.

The teenager's body has never been found despite extensive police searches.

A button of the type on her trousers waistband was found in the vacuum cleaner Rose had used in the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-338159/Scaffolder-given-life-Charlotte-murder.html#ixzz3NxBMdozu

[Brietta]

A few contradictions to what Grime said.

Scaffolder given life for Charlotte murder
Last updated at 13:50 17 February 2005

Scaffolder Nicholas Rose was today found guilty of murdering missing 16-year-old Charlotte Pinkney by a jury at Exeter Crown Court.

Rose, 23, of Foreland View, Ilfracombe, north Devon, had denied murdering Charlotte between February 27 and March 8 last year.

The teenager's body has never been found despite extensive police searches.

A button of the type on her trousers waistband was found in the vacuum cleaner Rose had used in the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-338159/Scaffolder-given-life-Charlotte-murder.html#ixzz3NxBMdozu

Very useful to have a cite giving the actual circumstances of a case rather than one person's opinion of what happened.

I think it is apparent that there was sufficient evidence found within the vehicle to enable the jury to come to a conclusion despite the absence of remains.

[Lace]

Well,   we know Eddie alerted to blood on the key fob and Gerry turned up alive!!

It would be difficult to find out about any cases where cadaver dogs may have been employed and not have helped in the case.

We don't know if Madeleine is alive or dead.

[Mr Gray]

Well,   we know Eddie alerted to blood on the key fob and Gerry turned up alive!!

It would be difficult to find out about any cases where cadaver dogs may have been employed and not have helped in the case.

We don't know if Madeleine is alive or dead.

They did not help in Jersey and not in PDL