Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body

[DCI]

Could, not that it definitely would.

Well he found it when he wanted to. Cudda, wudda, shudda.

[Brietta]

I can't see that John. Didn't Grime say scent could be picked up even after cleaning.

Don't forget Kate McCann supposedly cleaned and bleached everywhere, according to some. How many times was their apartment cleaned in the 3 months before the dogs went in? So called alerts were still found.

Might have been instructive if an instrument for sensory analysis had been used in the Prout lounge and in the McCann bedroom to check the VOCs which apparently set Eddie off.  Bringing in another VRD trained to locate human remains might have determined

(a)  was Eddie's reaction confirmed by a second dog doing a 'blind' check 

(b)  what was the composition of the smell

Apparently Adrian Prout kept spaniels (gun dogs?) ... maybe Eddie fell in love with a lady spaniel's favourite rug.

[Wonderfulspam]

Might have been instructive if an instrument for sensory analysis had been used in the Prout lounge and in the McCann bedroom to check the VOCs which apparently set Eddie off.  Bringing in another VRD trained to locate human remains might have determined

(a)  was Eddie's reaction confirmed by a second dog doing a 'blind' check 

(b)  what was the composition of the smell

Apparently Adrian Prout kept spaniels (gun dogs?) ... maybe Eddie fell in love with a lady spaniel's favourite rug.

Perhaps Adrian developed a taste for Sea Bass, or came into contact with dead pigs.

[DCI]

Grime Said.

She will locate contaminated weapons, screen motor vehicles and items of clothing and examine crime scenes for minute human blood deposits. She will accurately locate human blood on items that have been subjected to 'clean up operations' or having been subjected to several washing machine cycles

[Wonderfulspam]

Grime Said.

She will locate contaminated weapons, screen motor vehicles and items of clothing and examine crime scenes for minute human blood deposits. She will accurately locate human blood on items that have been subjected to 'clean up operations' or having been subjected to several washing machine cycles

She?

Great work Sherlock.

[DCI]

She?

Great work Sherlock.

Keela, dipstick.

Eddie

'Dead body scent' cannot be removed by cleaning. The compounds adhere to surfaces. The scent can be 'masked' by bleach and other strong smelling odours but the dog's olfactory system is able to separate odour and identify specific compounds' and mixes to cellular level. A similar system would be a device similar to an electron microscope.

[misty]

It puzzles me why a cadaver dog would be used before a specialist blood dog. Didn't Grime only deploy Keela if Eddie had indicated? Why look for evidence of death before blood - can anyone explain?

[Anna]

I disagree that a man can murder his wife, have a whiskey, wrap her up, put her in his car, drive to the pub, have at least one more drink intent on appearing normal to the locals, drive back to his farm, decide on a suitable spot to bury her, fetch the digger, dig a hole deep enough that it takes 4 days of police searches (including dogs) to finally locate the body, and to do this all in under an hour, yes.  Call me ker-azy, I simply don't have your brilliant grasp of the numbers!

Did he use a digger? Is a shovel a digger? . The grave was dug in a wooded area and the ground would be hard in November. I know the area well.

I think if Eddie sensed a cadaver odour in the lounge, it was probably cross contamination. 

They had a lot of cadaver dogs helping with the search for the body. Adrian had shown them the spot, but it still took, I believe 4 days to locate the body.


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He told Assistant Deputy Coroner Katie Skerrett that Prout fixed himself a glass of whisky, before wrapping Kate's body in a curtain, putting it in the back of his Land Rover and went to the pub. When he returned, he drove to a pheasant pen and dug a hole with a shovel and buried her body.


Read more: http://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/Kate-Prout-inquest-finally-hears-husband/story-16000525-detail/story.html#ixzz3SlOEpw1M

[Wonderfulspam]

Eddie does alert to blood ... you saying he wasn't as good as Keela at finding it?

When did the subject change from death scent to blood?

He throttled her, no blood.

[Wonderfulspam]

Did he use a digger? Is a shovel a digger? . The grave was dug in a wooded area and the ground would be hard in November. I know the area well.

I think if Eddie sensed a cadaver odour in the lounge, it was probably cross contamination. 

They had a lot of cadaver dogs helping with the search for the body. Adrian had shown them the spot, but it still took, I believe 4 days to locate the body.


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He told Assistant Deputy Coroner Katie Skerrett that Prout fixed himself a glass of whisky, before wrapping Kate's body in a curtain, putting it in the back of his Land Rover and went to the pub. When he returned, he drove to a pheasant pen and dug a hole with a shovel and buried her body.


Read more: http://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/Kate-Prout-inquest-finally-hears-husband/story-16000525-detail/story.html#ixzz3SlOEpw1M

At the inquest into the former teacher's death, Detective Inspector Steve Bean, of Gloucestershire CID said on November 5, 2007, Prout went out to the lodge at Redhill Farm to prepare for the following day's shoot.

"She followed him and they began arguing," Mr Bean said.

"She was planning to humiliate him in some way the following day. He snapped, and thrust his right hand into her neck and squeezed for 10 to 15 seconds. She didn't struggle. She fell backwards."

He told Assistant Deputy Coroner Katie Skerrett that Prout fixed himself a glass of whisky, before wrapping Kate's body in a curtain, putting it in the back of his Land Rover and went to the pub. When he returned, he drove to a pheasant pen and dug a hole with a shovel and buried her body.



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The press say that Mr Bean said that Prout said that...

...and no mention of plastic?

[Alfred R Jones]

Did he use a digger? Is a shovel a digger? . The grave was dug in a wooded area and the ground would be hard in November. I know the area well.

I think if Eddie sensed a cadaver odour in the lounge, it was probably cross contamination. 

They had a lot of cadaver dogs helping with the search for the body. Adrian had shown them the spot, but it still took, I believe 4 days to locate the body.


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He told Assistant Deputy Coroner Katie Skerrett that Prout fixed himself a glass of whisky, before wrapping Kate's body in a curtain, putting it in the back of his Land Rover and went to the pub. When he returned, he drove to a pheasant pen and dug a hole with a shovel and buried her body.


Read more: http://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/Kate-Prout-inquest-finally-hears-husband/story-16000525-detail/story.html#ixzz3SlOEpw1M

I was reliably informed by Spammy that Prout used a mechanical digger.  Perhaps I need to cross-check my "sauces" 

[Anna]

Perhaps Adrian developed a taste for Sea Bass, or came into contact with dead pigs.

Well actually, Spam, You have something there. They did keep pigs and the pig pens were inspected for any signs of her body............Before he confessed, that is.

[Eleanor]

I don't think he could have used a digger because it was a Pheasant Pen.  It will have had a fence around it.

[Alfred R Jones]

I don't think he could have used a digger because it was a Pheasant Pen.  It will have had a fence around it.

I think the confusion may have arisen from reports about mechanical diggers used to uncover her body.

[Wonderfulspam]

I was reliably informed by Spammy that Prout used a mechanical digger.  Perhaps I need to cross-check my "sauces" 

That's the first mention of a shovel that I've seen.

He owned a pipe laying business, & had experience of digging big old holes.

When I read that...

He is thought to have strangled her to death and then used his expertise as a professional pipe layer to bury her body underground somewhere on their 276-acre estate in Gloucestershire.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7167457/Family-appeal-for-landowner-to-reveal-where-wifes-body-is-buried.html

and added it to the fact that he owned mechanical hardware & it took 'em four days to exhume her ,I assumed wrongly, he dug nice & deep.

Praps not then.