Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body

[pathfinder73]

Dogs are used world wide to find evidence...eddie found none

But SY were looking for a body last summer. I wonder why?

[pathfinder73]

Interesting handbook on cadaver dogs:

https://sardog.org/index.php/downloads/search-and-rescue-books/1-cadaver-dog-handbook-forensic-training-and-tactics-2000-ww1/file

This book is £60 on Amazon, but is available free as a PDF here... interesting reading.

Thanks.

[ferryman]

But SY were looking for a body last summer. I wonder why?

You know darned well why, but will doubtless pretend something different ...

[pathfinder73]

You know darned well why, but will doubtless pretend something different ...

New forensics next including a curtain. The one Keela alerted to?

[ferryman]

New forensics next including a curtain. The one Keela alerted to?

You mean the curtain sent to the FSS after Keela alerted to it and checked for blood, but no blood found?

[pathfinder73]

You mean the curtain sent to the FSS after Keela alerted to it and checked for blood, but no blood found?

"'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate human blood to such small proportions that it is unlikely to be recovered by the forensic science procedures in place at this time due to its size or placement."

[Mr Gray]

"'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate human blood to such small proportions that it is unlikely to be recovered by the forensic science procedures in place at this time due to its size or placement."

How can this be proved to be true...or do we just have to take Grime's word for it...that is not how evidence works

[pathfinder73]

How can this be proved to be true...or do we just have to take Grime's word for it...that is not how evidence works

They were just paid loads of money for no reason at all  *&*%£

[Benice]

You mean the curtain sent to the FSS after Keela alerted to it and checked for blood, but no blood found?

From memory so I could be completely wrong, but didn't Keela originally fail to alert at that curtain on one search?

[pathfinder73]

From memory so I could be completely wrong, but didn't Keela originally fail to alert at that curtain on one search?

I've never heard that. This is from Grime's report.

The CSI dog was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas on the tiled floor area behind the sofa and on the curtain in the area that was in contact with the floor behind the sofa. This would indicate to the likely presence of human blood.

The forensic science support officers were then deployed to recover items for laboratory analysis.

There were no alert indications from the remaining properties. I did however see the dog search in the kitchen waste bins. These contained meat foodstuffs including pork and did not result in any false alert response.

[Brietta]

I've never heard that. This is from Grime's report.

The CSI dog was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas on the tiled floor area behind the sofa and on the curtain in the area that was in contact with the floor behind the sofa. This would indicate to the likely presence of human blood.

The forensic science support officers were then deployed to recover items for laboratory analysis.

There were no alert indications from the remaining properties. I did however see the dog search in the kitchen waste bins. These contained meat foodstuffs including pork and did not result in any false alert response.

"There were no alert indications from the remaining properties. I did however see the dog search in the kitchen waste bins. These contained meat foodstuffs including pork and did not result in any false alert response."

I saw the video of the working dog searching for a body in the kitchen waste bin ... happened to notice that the dog which never reacts to road kill or animal carcasses retrieved a bone and was running around with it in his mouth. 

Wonder what the explanation for that was?

[faithlilly]

"There were no alert indications from the remaining properties. I did however see the dog search in the kitchen waste bins. These contained meat foodstuffs including pork and did not result in any false alert response."

I saw the video of the working dog searching for a body in the kitchen waste bin ... happened to notice that the dog which never reacts to road kill or animal carcasses retrieved a bone and was running around with it in his mouth. 

Wonder what the explanation for that was?

However as he didn't give the trained response. That is the point.

[pathfinder73]

"There were no alert indications from the remaining properties. I did however see the dog search in the kitchen waste bins. These contained meat foodstuffs including pork and did not result in any false alert response."

I saw the video of the working dog searching for a body in the kitchen waste bin ... happened to notice that the dog which never reacts to road kill or animal carcasses retrieved a bone and was running around with it in his mouth. 

Wonder what the explanation for that was?

Their job is to alert. He was also interested in a tennis ball because he likes to play with it  %£&)**#

Apartment H5

We searched this apartment and the dog hasn't shown any interest in this particular apartment, apart from around the table, where there was a tennis ball which is how we reward the dog for finding things, as soon as we removed the tennis ball the interest was gone. And so it was a negative search.

[Brietta]

Good old clever Hans ... I think he probably makes a lot more appearances than we give him credit for.

That is one thing, though ... another is just downright blatant dishonesty for whatever reason, which must be taken into account.  Sandra Marie Anderson actually 'planted' false forensic evidence ... she could really have gone to town if there had been reliance only on her dog's alert.

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The indictment said Mrs. Anderson, director of the Great Lakes Search and Rescue Team of Michigan K-9 Unit, planted human remains and fiber evidence during searches with her dog, Eagle, at the Huron National Forest search in northern Michigan on April 17 and 18, 2002, as well as human remains during a search in the Proud Lake Recreation Center, also in northern Michigan, on Jan. 4, 2002.

The human remains, according to the indictment, included bones, which she “pretended to discover as genuine potential evidence.”

Authorities said some of the evidence uncovered by Mrs. Anderson led to convictions in several cases, including at least one homicide, although they declined to elaborate.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/aug/20/20030820-104817-8300r/#ixzz3O91lgDlG

Faithlilly wonders ... "Are you accusing Martin Grime of planting evidence because if not I fail to see how the article above is relevant ?"

I think the article which I have quoted is entirely relevant to a thread entitled "Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body".

The 'clever Hans' reference is in response to Alfred's post ..."I've got another good example of a conviction without a body.  The case of Thomas Quick, the Swedish serial killer who never was.  Zampo the cadaver dog alerted no less than 45 times in places that Quick claimed to have brought his victims' bodies.  The only slight problem was...he never actually committed any of the murders.  Ooops. "

The reference to the corrupt dog handler includes the information that at least one homicide conviction was obtained as a result.

If anyone chooses to link Martin Grime with the two examples mentioned above, they really ought to consider that there is a wider world out there which does not revolve around the happenings in Praia Da Luz in 2007.

[Brietta]

Their job is to alert. He was also interested in a tennis ball because he likes to play with it  %£&)**#

Apartment H5

We searched this apartment and the dog hasn't shown any interest in this particular apartment, apart from around the table, where there was a tennis ball which is how we reward the dog for finding things, as soon as we removed the tennis ball the interest was gone. And so it was a negative search.

Eddie really did enjoy playing with his toys.

Oh the fun he had tossing cuddlecat around ... and how delighted was he to find him again once he had been hidden in the cupboard.
Woof!! ... I want my toy!!