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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #105 on: February 24, 2015, 02:28:16 PM »
Were they JP ? We know this how ?

Eddie reacted in the lounge of the main house.

Prout murdered and buried his wife in an out-house, a few hundred yards from the house.

However, I do think it possible Prout cross-transferred a scent into the house from his clothing after burying Kate.

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #106 on: February 24, 2015, 02:45:29 PM »
Eddie reacted in the lounge of the main house.

Prout murdered and buried his wife in an out-house, a few hundred yards from the house.

However, I do think it possible Prout cross-transferred a scent into the house from his clothing after burying Kate.

We are told the scent is highly transferable, so that is a possibility.

The fact is as you have pointed out, that her remains did not lie where Eddie indicated.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #107 on: February 24, 2015, 03:10:35 PM »
Eddie reacted in the lounge of the main house.

Prout murdered and buried his wife in an out-house, a few hundred yards from the house.

However, I do think it possible Prout cross-transferred a scent into the house from his clothing after burying Kate.

I'm finding it difficult to find a reference to where Prout claimed he killed his wife. Do you have a cite ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #108 on: February 24, 2015, 03:35:21 PM »
I'm finding it difficult to find a reference to where Prout claimed he killed his wife. Do you have a cite ?

Thursday, detectives spoke to Prout and he finally admitted he had killed his wife and agreed to point out the spot where she was buried. Prout arrived at the farm in a people carrier just after 11.30am on Friday and was led out of the vehicle, handcuffed to a police officer.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/nov/18/adrian-prout-where-wifes-buried
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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #109 on: February 24, 2015, 03:47:51 PM »
Thursday, detectives spoke to Prout and he finally admitted he had killed his wife and agreed to point out the spot where she was buried. Prout arrived at the farm in a people carrier just after 11.30am on Friday and was led out of the vehicle, handcuffed to a police officer.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/nov/18/adrian-prout-where-wifes-buried

Thank you DCI but I was looking for verification that the murder took place in the summer house and that the body was never placed behind the sofa where, I believe, the cadaver dog alerted.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2015, 03:50:50 PM »
British and European Polygraph Association chairman Don Cargill, recalled: “I said, ‘You’re a murderer.’ He just said ‘Ummmh.’ So I said, ‘Are you saying my test is wrong?’

“He actually replied, ‘No, your test is not wrong.’”

Don, also said: “He smiled in what was one of the most surreal and chilling experiences of my life.

“There was no emotion at all, he was really calm and cool, chillingly so.

“He’d been so used to being in control. He didn’t fool the jury but he’s fooled a lot of other people, his family and friends and his fiancee.

“I can understand why people fell for his lies – but of course, you can’t fool a polygraph.”

http://diaryofatruecrimewriter.blogspot.com/2011/11/adrian-prout-confession.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2015, 04:07:41 PM »
British and European Polygraph Association chairman Don Cargill, recalled: “I said, ‘You’re a murderer.’ He just said ‘Ummmh.’ So I said, ‘Are you saying my test is wrong?’

“He actually replied, ‘No, your test is not wrong.’”

Don, also said: “He smiled in what was one of the most surreal and chilling experiences of my life.

“There was no emotion at all, he was really calm and cool, chillingly so.

“He’d been so used to being in control. He didn’t fool the jury but he’s fooled a lot of other people, his family and friends and his fiancee.

“I can understand why people fell for his lies – but of course, you can’t fool a polygraph.”

http://diaryofatruecrimewriter.blogspot.com/2011/11/adrian-prout-confession.html
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as we all know...you can fool a polygraph

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #112 on: February 24, 2015, 04:11:13 PM »
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as we all know...you can fool a polygraph

Not if you don't take one  8)--))
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2015, 04:11:47 PM »
Sometimes the McCanns do have my sincerest sympathy. To be residents of  the only apartment that the cadaver dog alerted to in Luz that week when they had no idea what had happened to her must be beyond parody for them. Much like Adrian Prout must have felt when the cadaver  dog alerted to.......oh hold on a minute that might not be such a great example..........hmmmm strike that.........it must be like Eugene Zapata felt when the cadaver dog alerted......nope strike that too......then it definitely must be how Stuart Hazell felt when the dogs alerted to....... Nope I give up. I'm afraid we'll just have to hope that OG have sought advice from the dog experts at the world renowned DeniabilityRUs who, I'm reliably informed, have shown many a perceived expert the error of their ways.
aS redwood has stated maddie may still be alive then he certainly understands the alerts for what they are

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #114 on: February 24, 2015, 04:12:34 PM »
By not taking one  8)--))

no ...polygraphs can be fooled..it's afact

Offline Brietta

Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #115 on: February 24, 2015, 04:16:01 PM »
British and European Polygraph Association chairman Don Cargill, recalled: “I said, ‘You’re a murderer.’ He just said ‘Ummmh.’ So I said, ‘Are you saying my test is wrong?’

“He actually replied, ‘No, your test is not wrong.’”

Don, also said: “He smiled in what was one of the most surreal and chilling experiences of my life.

“There was no emotion at all, he was really calm and cool, chillingly so.

“He’d been so used to being in control. He didn’t fool the jury but he’s fooled a lot of other people, his family and friends and his fiancee.

“I can understand why people fell for his lies – but of course, you can’t fool a polygraph.”

http://diaryofatruecrimewriter.blogspot.com/2011/11/adrian-prout-confession.html

We seem to have already had a full discussion on the fact that Kate Prout's body had never lain where the VRD indicated it had ... this one took place in 2013 http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1112.105 ... and I clearly remember a similar discussion in 2014.

Does anyone know why the VRD did not indicate in the shooting lodge or in the vehicle used to transport Mrs Prout's remains?



EVIDENCE of a dead body inside murdered Kate Prout's home was discovered by a sniffer dog, it has emerged.

The "cadaver dog" homed in on an area in the living room of the Redmarley home she shared with her husband Adrian Prout, who was convicted of her killing last year.

An hour-long documentary on the murder case told how the dog, which was specially trained to seek out dead bodies and where deaths occurred, concentrated on a specific spot in the living room at Redhill Farm.

Read more: http://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/Cadaver-dog-sniffed-death-Prout-home/story-11860269-detail/story.html#ixzz3Sg8TamKD



At the inquest into the former teacher's death, Detective Inspector Steve Bean, of Gloucestershire CID said on November 5, 2007, Prout went out to the lodge at Redhill Farm to prepare for the following day's shoot.

"She followed him and they began arguing," Mr Bean said.

"She was planning to humiliate him in some way the following day. He snapped, and thrust his right hand into her neck and squeezed for 10 to 15 seconds. She didn't struggle. She fell backwards."

He told Assistant Deputy Coroner Katie Skerrett that Prout fixed himself a glass of whisky, before wrapping Kate's body in a curtain, putting it in the back of his Land Rover and went to the pub. When he returned, he drove to a pheasant pen and dug a hole with a shovel and buried her body.

Read more: http://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/Kate-Prout-inquest-finally-hears-husband/story-16000525-detail/story.html#ixzz3Sg9ZJusq
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #116 on: February 24, 2015, 04:31:35 PM »
Does anyone know why the VRD did not indicate in the shooting lodge or in the vehicle used to transport Mrs Prout's remains?


'Mrs Prout's remains were found wrapped in a curtain and plastic sheeting, the inquest at Gloucestershire Coroner's Court heard.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-17938610

Maybe the plastic helped.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #117 on: February 24, 2015, 04:44:56 PM »
Does anyone know why the VRD did not indicate in the shooting lodge or in the vehicle used to transport Mrs Prout's remains?


'Mrs Prout's remains were found wrapped in a curtain and plastic sheeting, the inquest at Gloucestershire Coroner's Court heard.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-17938610

Maybe the plastic helped.

The thing is we  have no idea where the dog was taken on those first searches and we also have no idea what Prout did with his wife's body prior to burial.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #118 on: February 24, 2015, 04:45:03 PM »
Does anyone know why the VRD did not indicate in the shooting lodge or in the vehicle used to transport Mrs Prout's remains?


'Mrs Prout's remains were found wrapped in a curtain and plastic sheeting, the inquest at Gloucestershire Coroner's Court heard.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-17938610

Maybe the plastic helped.

At the risk of appearing to be insensitive, which it certainly is, it would be worth bearing in mind that Mrs Prout had not wrapped herself in plastic sheeting prior to being murdered.

At some stage in the proceedings her remains were in direct contact with the place where she was killed.

At no time were her remains in the house.  Therefore the VRD could not have alerted at the spot where her body had lain.  The alert was just plain wrong.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body
« Reply #119 on: February 24, 2015, 04:53:57 PM »
At the risk of appearing to be insensitive, which it certainly is, it would be worth bearing in mind that Mrs Prout had not wrapped herself in plastic sheeting prior to being murdered.

At some stage in the proceedings her remains were in direct contact with the place where she was killed.

At no time were her remains in the house.  Therefore the VRD could not have alerted at the spot where her body had lain.  The alert was just plain wrong.

At the risk of repeating myself we have no idea what happened to the body after Mrs Prout was killed. In fact we only have the word of a convicted murderer for any of the information we do have.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?