Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body

[faithlilly]

Apart from the fact that in none of the reports of the killing was it mentioned that Prout moved the body to the living room first before putting it in the car.

Reports not verbatim copies of his confession.

[pathfinder73]

Apart from the fact that in none of the reports of the killing was it mentioned that Prout moved the body to the living room first before putting it in the car.

Eddie alerted to cadaver scent in the living room and he wasn't wrong because a person had been killed on that farm and his alert turned the investigation towards Adrian Prout as being the killer. Was Eddie wrong?

[Alice Purjorick]

I disagree that a man can murder his wife, have a whiskey, wrap her up, put her in his car, drive to the pub, have at least one more drink intent on appearing normal to the locals, drive back to his farm, decide on a suitable spot to bury her, fetch the digger, dig a hole deep enough that it takes 4 days of police searches (including dogs) to finally locate the body, and to do this all in under an hour, yes.  Call me ker-azy, I simply don't have your brilliant grasp of the numbers!

So in other words just an idea based on nothing more than your opinion of what you think the timescales should be ? Added to your presumption that the guy does not know his own land short back and sideways.
That is scarcely an objective assessment on your part. Do a sense check then Alf it doesn't take long. I am not saying because it could happen it did happen you understand that is a different proposition altogether.

[Alfred R Jones]

Reports not verbatim copies of his confession.

If Prout had confessed he moved the body to the living room then by now we would no doubt have heard about it, if only from those who champion the dog's abilities, or who make a living from them. 

The police searches of Redhill Farm took 60 officers 5 weeks - dogs were employed during these searches.  They were obviously quite thorough - the idea that they failed to search the hunting lodge or Prout's vehicle is highly unlikely IMO.

[Wonderfulspam]

If Prout had confessed he moved the body to the living room then by now we would no doubt have heard about it, if only from those who champion the dog's abilities, or who make a living from them. 

The police searches of Redhill Farm took 60 officers 5 weeks - dogs were employed during these searches.  They were obviously quite thorough - the idea that they failed to search the hunting lodge or Prout's vehicle is highly unlikely IMO.

Why?

What reason would the fuzz have for mentioning it, when the case is solved & has been for several years?

[Alfred R Jones]

So in other words just an idea based on nothing more than your opinion of what you think the timescales should be ? Added to your presumption that the guy does not know his own land short back and sideways.
That is scarcely an objective assessment on your part. Do a sense check then Alf it doesn't take long. I am not saying because it could happen it did happen you understand that is a different proposition altogether.

I think it's a sensible assessment on my part Alice.  Sometimes common sense is required when considering what is and is not possible. Do you possess any? If you think it is possible that Prout did everything I have highlighted that we know he did that night within an hour then that is based on nothing more than YOUR opinion of what is feasible to achieve within an hour, is it not?  So - what makes you more likely to be right than me (apart from your far superior intellect of course)?

I don't understand your point that I have presumed  the man didn't know his own farm - did I say that?! No.   Of course he knew his farm, but had he already pre-determined where  on his farm would be a good spot to hide a body, in your view?  Or is there a possibility that (as the reports have already stated) he drove around his land deciding on a suitable spot AFTER killing his wife? 

[Alfred R Jones]

Why?

What reason would the fuzz have for mentioning it, when the case is solved & has been for several years?

Why did the Fuzz reveal many of the other details of his confession then?  Such as the fact that he had a whiskey before covering up his wife's body?

[Wonderfulspam]

Why did the Fuzz reveal many of the other details of his confession then?  Such as the fact that he had a whiskey before covering up his wife's body?

Why didn't they release the whole thing?

Why do some reports say she was wrapped in a curtain then shoved in the Land Rover, when her corpse was discovered in both a curtain & plastic sheeting?

They never mentioned when exactly, or indeed where he applied the plastic sheet?

Why not?

[Eleanor]

I don't think he planned this, so he would have needed a good long think about what to do.  But I seriously can't see him moving the body into the house and then out again to the car.
There wouldn't have been time for death scent in the house anyway.  But there would in the car.  Was Eddie taken to the car?  Or did the police think his alert in the lounge was good enough?

[lordpookles]

Dead body and cadaver dog alerts. Is there any need to say anymore unless you wish to discredit the dogs in some way? We don't know the details folks. He could have easily decided to take the body in the house for a short period and give himself time to think away from prying eyes. Also, reports I have read have quoted just 10 minutes for the time needed for a dead body to be in situ.

Can a person go down the pub, act normal etc after doing something so grim? Def possible imo for a cool customer and someone with little empathy. People can lie very well and in general people are pretty bad at knowing if other people are lying.

[Wonderfulspam]

I don't think he planned this, so he would have needed a good long think about what to do.  But I seriously can't see him moving the body into the house and then out again to the car.
There wouldn't have been time for death scent in the house anyway.  But there would in the car.  Was Eddie taken to the car?  Or did the police think his alert in the lounge was good enough?

He had more than one 4x4 & tractor, apparently.

And we simply don't know where exactly & for what length of time, the cadaver dog(s) searched.

Or indeed, the rate at which she decomposed following her murder, or furthermore, how long it actually takes for a corpse to start emitting an amount of scent sufficient for a dog to detect, or sumink.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why didn't they release the whole thing?

Why do some reports say she was wrapped in a curtain then shoved in the Land Rover, when her corpse was discovered in both a curtain & plastic sheeting?

They never mentioned when exactly, or indeed where he applied the plastic sheet?

Why not?

If he had confessed to moving her to the lounge then in my opinion this important detail would have been released to the press as it would have vindicated the dog alert, something I'm sure the police would have been keen to do, seeing as how the dog alert played a big part in convincing the police of his guilt in the first place. 

[Alfred R Jones]

He had more than one 4x4 & tractor, apparently.

And we simply don't know where exactly & for what length of time, the cadaver dog(s) searched.

Or indeed, the rate at which she decomposed following her murder, or furthermore, how long it actually takes for a corpse to start emitting an amount of scent sufficient for a dog to detect, or sumink.

What you are basically saying is we don't know shit about anything so shut up.   

[Alfred R Jones]

Dead body and cadaver dog alerts. Is there any need to say anymore unless you wish to discredit the dogs in some way? We don't know the details folks. He could have easily decided to take the body in the house for a short period and give himself time to think away from prying eyes. Also, reports I have read have quoted just 10 minutes for the time needed for a dead body to be in situ.

Can a person go down the pub, act normal etc after doing something so grim? Def possible imo for a cool customer and someone with little empathy. People can lie very well and in general people are pretty bad at knowing if other people are lying.

10 minutes?  But we have been assured by eminent "sceptics" in the field that the minimum time is 90 minutes.  Or 60 minutes.  Or something.

[Wonderfulspam]

If he had confessed to moving her to the lounge then in my opinion this important detail would have been released to the press as it would have vindicated the dog alert, something I'm sure the police would have been keen to do, seeing as how the dog alert played a big part in convincing the police of his guilt in the first place.

Had the press been particularly critical or sceptical of the dog alert?

The dog alert wasn't the sole reason for him being the prime suspect.

The cops didn't believe she'd done a Reggie Perrin, & were unconvinced by his failiure to report her missing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-566902/The-REAL-Midsomer-Murders-The-true-story-farmers-wife-disappeared-air.html