Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body

[Wonderfulspam]

What you are basically saying is we don't know shit about anything so shut up.   

You're right Alf, we don't know nutink.

The fuzz do though, & they still use dogs.

[Eleanor]

He had more than one 4x4 & tractor, apparently.

And we simply don't know where exactly & for what length of time, the cadaver dog(s) searched.

Or indeed, the rate at which she decomposed following her murder, or furthermore, how long it actually takes for a corpse to start emitting an amount of scent sufficient for a dog to detect, or sumink.

What month was is?  I haven't seen that, probably because I wasn't looking for it until now.

According to the research over seven years, it takes about an hour for decomposition to start for a dog to detect it.  This makes sense to me, although I really don't want to go into details.  I just can't go with The Lounge Theory, for more reasons than one.

You are right again.  We don't know exactly where the dogs searched.  But the thing is that he was convicted without a body.

I really don't have a problem with Cadaver Dogs as such.  But I ain't keen on convictions on that alone.  Which I don't think this was.

[Eleanor]

Dead body and cadaver dog alerts. Is there any need to say anymore unless you wish to discredit the dogs in some way? We don't know the details folks. He could have easily decided to take the body in the house for a short period and give himself time to think away from prying eyes. Also, reports I have read have quoted just 10 minutes for the time needed for a dead body to be in situ.

Can a person go down the pub, act normal etc after doing something so grim? Def possible imo for a cool customer and someone with little empathy. People can lie very well and in general people are pretty bad at knowing if other people are lying.

It's ten minutes IF the body has been dead for more than an hour before being placed in situ.

[faithlilly]

If he had confessed to moving her to the lounge then in my opinion this important detail would have been released to the press as it would have vindicated the dog alert, something I'm sure the police would have been keen to do, seeing as how the dog alert played a big part in convincing the police of his guilt in the first place.

Why do you think that once the police's thesis had been proved correct by the confession of Prout that they'd be the slightest bit interested in highlighting which parts they'd actually got right ?

[Eleanor]

Why do you think that once the police's thesis had been proved correct by the confession of Prout that they'd be the slightest bit interested in highlighting which parts they'd actually got right ?

Probably not.  They wouldn't want to diss the dogs.  This discussion would have been much more interesting before he confessed.

[DCI]

What month was is?  I haven't seen that, probably because I wasn't looking for it until now.

According to the research over seven years, it takes about an hour for decomposition to start for a dog to detect it.  This makes sense to me, although I really don't want to go into details.  I just can't go with The Lounge Theory, for more reasons than one.

You are right again.  We don't know exactly where the dogs searched.  But the thing is that he was convicted without a body.

I really don't have a problem with Cadaver Dogs as such.  But I ain't keen on convictions on that alone.  Which I don't think this was.

November Eleanor.


Here's a better view of the farm

[John]

Apologies if this has already been covered earlier.  I just want to add that Kate was strangled in the hunting lodge which is located quite a bit away from the farm bungalow where the dogs alerted.  She was wrapped in a curtain from the same hunting lodge before being put in the back of Adrian's Land Rover while he went to the pub.

Now the question is this, at what stage thereafter was her remains taken to the bungalow?

eta What's interesting about this case is that Kate would never have been found had Adrian not confessed.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why do you think that once the police's thesis had been proved correct by the confession of Prout that they'd be the slightest bit interested in highlighting which parts they'd actually got right ?

I think those who take an interest in the promotion of the dogs' abilities would be interested in highlighting that detail, don't you? 

[Alfred R Jones]

Apologies if this has already been covered earlier.  I just want to add that Kate was strangled in the hunting lodge which is located quite a bit away from the farm bungalow where the dogs alerted.  She was wrapped in a curtain from the same hunting lodge before being put in the back of Adrian's Land Rover while he went to the pub.

Now the question is this, at what stage thereafter was her remains taken to the bungalow?

Thanks John.  According to all the reports her remains were not taken back to the house.  Prout drove straight from the pub with her body in the back to find a burial spot on his land where he disposed of the body. 

[Eleanor]

November Eleanor.


Here's a better view of the farm

Thanks, DCI.  So decomposition will have been slower in what was probably an unheated Lodge in Winter.

[Eleanor]

Apologies if this has already been covered earlier.  I just want to add that Kate was strangled in the hunting lodge which is located quite a bit away from the farm bungalow where the dogs alerted.  She was wrapped in a curtain from the same hunting lodge before being put in the back of Adrian's Land Rover while he went to the pub.

Now the question is this, at what stage thereafter was her remains taken to the bungalow?

eta What's interesting about this case is that Kate would never have been found had Adrian not confessed.

Her remains almost certainly weren't taken to the bungalow.  Why would he do that?

[John]

Thanks John.  According to all the reports her remains were not taken back to the house.  Prout drove straight from the pub with her body in the back to find a burial spot on his land where he disposed of the body.

Personally I don't think he would have risked taking a cadaver back to the bungalow.

Quite possibly the contaminant from his own clothing including footwear and trousers left cadaver scent in the bungalow.  Strangely though, the dogs never recorded an alert in the Land Rover, maybe he jet-washed or steam cleaned it, something he couldn't have done so easily in the house without attracting attention.

[DCI]

Personally I don't think he would have risked taking a cadaver back to the bungalow.

Quite possibly the contaminant from his own clothing including footwear and trousers left cadaver scent in the bungalow.  Strangely though, the dogs never recorded an alert in the Land Rover, maybe he jet-washed or steam cleaned it.

I can't see that John. Didn't Grime say scent could be picked up even after cleaning.

Don't forget Kate McCann supposedly cleaned and bleached everywhere, according to some. How many times was their apartment cleaned in the 3 months before the dogs went in? So called alerts were still found.

[Wonderfulspam]

I can't see that John. Didn't Grime say scent could be picked up even after cleaning.

Don't forget Kate McCann supposedly cleaned and bleached everywhere, according to some. How many times was their apartment cleaned in the 3 months before the dogs went in? So called alerts were still found.

Could, not that it definitely would.

[Wonderfulspam]

Personally I don't think he would have risked taking a cadaver back to the bungalow.

Quite possibly the contaminant from his own clothing including footwear and trousers left cadaver scent in the bungalow.  Strangely though, the dogs never recorded an alert in the Land Rover, maybe he jet-washed or steam cleaned it, something he couldn't have done so easily in the house without attracting attention.

Last week, an unnamed police source reportedly went further. "If he [Prout] killed her, he had five days to cover his tracks," he was quoted as saying. "You can do a lot in five days."

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