Sheila re loading. Twice.

[Holly Goodhead]

I wonder if Sheila knew that she had to chamber the first round?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational_learning

[puglove]

I wonder if Sheila knew that she had to chamber the first round?

I'm here all night, by the way, doing 15 minute checks on a sick pony. I will become increasingly pedantic and annoying.

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm here all night, by the way, doing 15 minute checks on a sick pony. I will become increasingly pedantic and annoying.

I've had too much ale and feel slightly sicky    Hope your pony is not as sick as I feel.  Can we play online find the pony/donkey tail?  I will have a look and see if we can play online.  Talking of ponies etc have you heard from Jackie (Preecey)?

[puglove]

I've had too much ale and feel slightly sicky    Hope your pony is not as sick as I feel.  Can we play online find the pony/donkey tail?  I will have a look and see if we can play online.  Talking of ponies etc have you heard from Jackie (Preecey)?

If your slightly sicky feeling involves a lorry to London, a CT scan and 3 f..kING THOUSAND POUNDS, then yes, you are as sick as my pony.

I think (hope) Jackie is fine. She's probably doing what I'm doing, rescuing unwanted horses and shopping at Oxfam.

Best love,Holl.  xx

[david1819]

If you know how to use one it's easy, if you have never used one before, I doubt it's as easy as you say.

An automatic gun is designed to be easy for the user. I have used a manual rifle and yes it is difficult but a semi automatic requires no skill what so ever. There have been cases of children using semi automatic weapons to kill multiple people. Also considering a .22 calibre has very little kickback it would be easy for anyone to use, its designed to kill foxes and rabbits, smaller targets than Humans

To say Shelia could not have been capable of shooting and reloading the weapon used then she must have had trouble making butter toast or doing anything in her day to day life.

[Holly Goodhead]

If your slightly sicky feeling involves a lorry to London, a CT scan and 3 f.....g THOUSAND POUNDS, then yes, you are as sick as my pony.

I think (hope) Jackie is fine. She's probably doing what I'm doing, rescuing unwanted horses and shopping at Oxfam.

Best love,Holl.  xx

No it doesn't involve all that just a nauseas feeling like morning/travel sickness.  Self induced and it will be gone in the morning. Thankful for small mercies I guess.  Hope your pony gets better.  I've had a look online but cant find any online find the donkey tail games.  Thought it might be fun and Jackie could join us.  Cambridge and ManU drew. 

Night puglove.  Love you.  X

[puglove]

No it doesn't involve all that just a nauseas feeling like morning/travel sickness.  Self induced and it will be gone in the morning. Thankful for small mercies I guess.  Hope your pony gets better.  I've had a look online but cant find any online find the donkey tail games.  Thought it might be fun and Jackie could join us.  Cambridge and ManU drew. 

Night puglove.  Love you.  X

Night, Holl. Love you, too.

I think you might be up the duff.

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[puglove]

An automatic gun is designed to be easy for the user. I have used a manual rifle and yes it is difficult but a semi automatic requires no skill what so ever. There have been cases of children using semi automatic weapons to kill multiple people. Also considering a .22 calibre has very little kickback it would be easy for anyone to use, its designed to kill foxes and rabbits, smaller targets than Humans

To say Shelia could not have been capable of shooting and reloading the weapon used then she must have had trouble making butter toast or doing anything in her day to day life.

You've obviously heard the AE adage that Sheila couldn't put beans on toast, or sugar in tea. She could be distant, and uncoordinated. But, obviously, she could also pluck her eyebrows and paint her nails. That's a bit like "muscle memory" - something you can just do subconsciously because you've done it forever. But....did she know how the gun worked? And how did she reload? How did she carry the second magazine?

No pockets in a nightie.

This has all been done before. I'm only playing because I've got to sit here all night.

OK. Here's one for you. Why aren't there any fingerprints on the gun?

[puglove]

You've obviously heard the AE adage that Sheila couldn't put beans on toast, or sugar in tea. She could be distant, and uncoordinated. But, obviously, she could also pluck her eyebrows and paint her nails. That's a bit like "muscle memory" - something you can just do subconsciously because you've done it forever. But....did she know how the gun worked? And how did she reload? How did she carry the second magazine?

No pockets in a nightie.

This has all been done before. I'm only playing because I've got to sit here all night.

OK. Here's one for you. Why aren't there any fingerprints on the gun?

Seriously, unless you're going with Tubby McStealer's crapola, that a police officer shot Sheila then wiped the gun, then the only explantion is Bamber, wearing gloves. How could Sheila wipe out her entire family, turn the gun round and batter Ralph, then shoot herself, twice, and.....the gun isn't slathered in her prints?

[puglove]

Seriously, unless you're going with Tubby McStealer's crapola, that a police officer shot Sheila then wiped the gun, then the only explantion is Bamber, wearing gloves. How could Sheila wipe out her entire family, turn the gun round and batter Ralph, then shoot herself, twice, and.....the gun isn't slathered in her prints?

Even if Sheila had held the gun, long enough for Ralph to make the apocryphal call to Bamber, her prints would be on the stock and the barrel. So...where are they?

[puglove]

Even if Sheila had held the gun, long enough for Ralph to make the apocryphal call to Bamber, her prints would be on the stock and the barrel. So...where are they?

"Come quick, your sister's gone crazy with the gun."

So...at some stage, according to Bamber, Sheila held the gun.


I rest my case. Mushy sprouts to eternity and beyond.


 

[Caroline]

I wonder if Sheila knew that she had to chamber the first round?

I doubt it.

[scipio_usmc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational_learning

No newbies who watched me shoot could appreciate the things I did because I did them so fast.  It takes actually training someone for them to understand how to use a weapon including how to remove the magazine for a weapon that has a detachable magazine.

As I posted in the past, US President Gerald Ford survived an assassination attempt because the would be killer, who was accustomed to people using guns around her but not semi autos)  didn't know she had to manually chamber a round first. 

At any rate, when did she see someone chamber a round in a semi-automatic rifle? 

The first semi-auto the family owned was purchased late November 1984. That gun was purchased for Jeremy and barely used. There is no evidence anyone except Jeremy and Anthony used it.

Even Jeremy's fairytale about the rabbit featured him inserting the magazine into the gun in a different room than Sheila was in so that lie doesn't provide a way to claim she saw him chamber a round. 

But hey when did you ever ry to look at it rationally...

[david1819]

You've obviously heard the AE adage that Sheila couldn't put beans on toast, or sugar in tea. She could be distant, and uncoordinated. But, obviously, she could also pluck her eyebrows and paint her nails. That's a bit like "muscle memory" - something you can just do subconsciously because you've done it forever. But....did she know how the gun worked? And how did she reload? How did she carry the second magazine?

No pockets in a nightie.

This has all been done before. I'm only playing because I've got to sit here all night.

OK. Here's one for you. Why aren't there any fingerprints on the gun?

Shelia was prescribed the antipsychotic Haloperidol, the common side effects of Haloperidol explain Shelia's behaviour

Dystonia
Muscle rigidity
Akathisia
Parkinsonism
Hypotension
Agitation
Confusional state
Visual disturbances
Neuroleptic malignant syndrome
and many more less common side effects

She stopped taking this medication at the time of murders. The drug is used to prevent mania and other episodes common with schizophrenia.

A .22 semi automatic rifle is easy to load and use. The trigger and the bolt lever is all you can move and all you can use. Its a simple weapon.

http://youtu.be/vx2hKR_XI2A?t=4m46s

The gun cannot be used as forensic evidence, Its been proven that the police handled and moved it several times thus contaminating it. I have heard conflicting claims that Shelia' fingerprints where on the gun and where not the gun but like I said the gun cant be used as forensic evidence because its been tampered with.

Here's one for you. If Jeremy went though all the effort to plan and premeditate this including the false police telephone calls using a bike and even dying his hair jet black why didn't he consider wearing gloves to cover his prints?


 

[scipio_usmc]

Shelia was prescribed the antipsychotic Haloperidol, the common side effects of Haloperidol explain Shelia's behaviour

Dystonia
Muscle rigidity
Akathisia
Parkinsonism
Hypotension
Agitation
Confusional state
Visual disturbances
Neuroleptic malignant syndrome
and many more less common side effects

She stopped taking this medication at the time of murders. The drug is used to prevent mania and other episodes common with schizophrenia.

She stop taking it in the sense that she stopped taking it orally.  She was being injected by her doctor on a monthly basis.  Thus she was on her medication at the time of the murders and it was detected in her system when she was autopsied.  Her medication had side effects.  Those side effects were over sedation, involuntary spasms, loss of dexterity and other things which would make her less likely to be able to load and shoot the gun competently.  She was diagnosed as being over sedated.  So things were the complete opposite as you suggest.

A .22 semi automatic rifle is easy to load and use. The trigger and the bolt lever is all you can move and all you can use. Its a simple weapon.

http://youtu.be/vx2hKR_XI2A?t=4m46s
The gun cannot be used as forensic evidence, Its been proven that the police handled and moved it several times thus contaminating it. I have heard conflicting claims that Shelia' fingerprints where on the gun and where not the gun but like I said the gun cant be used as forensic evidence because its been tampered with.

Here's one for you. If Jeremy went though all the effort to plan and premeditate this including the false police telephone calls using a bike and even dying his hair jet black why didn't he consider wearing gloves to cover his prints?

The police moved the gun by touching the loops that the shoulder straps fit in, they did not contaminate it, no police prints were found on the weapon.   

Jeremy did use gloves that is why there was no prints int he blood that covered the weapon.  Had he not used gloves then his prints would have been left in the blood that was on it.  One of his prints was found on it but not in the blood.  He told Julie one glove came off during the course of the murders and he was scared that he touched it and got a print on it as a result.  But it is unknown if that print got there during the murders.  He could have missed that print when wiping the weapon down before committing the murders.