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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2015, 12:37:56 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69wWI5e1bQ

All those earlier videos you posted are from the U.S.A. where (some) children are taught to use weapons responsibly from an early age.  As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions Sheila Caffell was unfamiliar with the new Anschutz, and unlike the healthy young American women in the videos was not fit enough because of her medication to use it on August 7th '85.

NB might well have taught SC to use weapons responsibly from an early age.  We have no idea if SC was familiarised further with firearms via school friends and/or the farm hand she had a relationship with. 

SC didn't need to be familiar with the new Anshutz per se to load the magazine, attach it, chamber a round, aim and fire. 

The pathologist described SC as well nourished and healthy. 

Young mothers develop upper body strength from lifting and carrying children and various equipment eg buggies etc.  SC was capable of fine motor movement as evidenced by her shaped eyebrows, manicured and varnished nails and applying full face make-up.

To doubt a women's ability to use a firearm is sexist.  It is like me doubting a man's ability to hoover.  8((()*/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2015, 02:14:00 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69wWI5e1bQ

All those earlier videos you posted are from the U.S.A. where (some) children are taught to use weapons responsibly from an early age.  As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions Sheila Caffell was unfamiliar with the new Anschutz, and unlike the healthy young American women in the videos was not fit enough because of her medication to use it on August 7th '85.

Hey lookout!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7iz1HTh9U
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2015, 02:31:49 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69wWI5e1bQ

All those earlier videos you posted are from the U.S.A. where (some) children are taught to use weapons responsibly from an early age.  As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions Sheila Caffell was unfamiliar with the new Anschutz, and unlike the healthy young American women in the videos was not fit enough because of her medication to use it on August 7th '85.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8eVqOfreZc

I think we should refrain from gender stereotyping  8((()*/

It seems inconceivable to me that SC and JB wouldn't target practice around the farm as children/teenagers.  My younger brother by some 2 years had an air rifle which he showed me how to use and I fired at various things he placed around the garden and hung on trees.  The WHF tragedy did not require any accuracy of shots; I am saying this on the basis that it seems inconceivable to me that a female that grew up on a farm with a brother as an only sibling would not have at least had some basic knowledge of handling and firing firearms.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #78 on: January 28, 2015, 04:52:03 PM »
NB might well have taught SC to use weapons responsibly from an early age.  We have no idea if SC was familiarised further with firearms via school friends and/or the farm hand she had a relationship with. 

SC didn't need to be familiar with the new Anshutz per se to load the magazine, attach it, chamber a round, aim and fire. 

The pathologist described SC as well nourished and healthy. 

Young mothers develop upper body strength from lifting and carrying children and various equipment eg buggies etc.  SC was capable of fine motor movement as evidenced by her shaped eyebrows, manicured and varnished nails and applying full face make-up.

To doubt a women's ability to use a firearm is sexist.  It is like me doubting a man's ability to hoover.  8((()*/

She didn't need to know how to load the gun and chamber a round to be able to use it?  That is perhaps the dumbest thing you have ever written on this this site.

You are demonstrating how ridiculously biased and irrational you are being.  You have to be very desperate to ignore something that basic and dismiss its significance.

Sheila's family said that she had no interest in learning about weapons.   Far form being a sexist comment it is reality that fathers taught sons how to shoot not daughters and that in boy schools shooting was taught but girls in school were not taught.  This is not posters being sexist but rather being rational, objective and facing evidence.  You don't want to face evidence you want to just ignore and dismiss anything that challenges you.

At any rate even if her father forced her to learn about weapons he did not own any semi-automatics so could not have taught her how to use semiautomatics when young.  The first semi-auto he ever purchased was not purchased until the end of November 1984 and was purchased at Jeremy's insitience and purchased for Jeremy. he is the one who wanted a semi-auto.  Why was he so desperate to have a semi-auto?  Quite obviously so that the murders he planned to commit with it would go more smoothly.

SInce it was the first semi-auto, even if Sheial were taught how to load and use a shotgun when young that would not enable her to know how to load and operate the murder weapons because they loaded and operated differently.  Ther eis no detachable magazine for a shotgun it is organic to the weapon.  There is no need to chamber a round manually first for the shotguns they possessed either.  Sheila would thus have no idea that a round even needed to be manually chmabered first let alone know how to do so.

This was pointed out to you multiple times in the past.  Your silly way of dealing with it is to claim well who cares she would be able to use any weapon in the world by being trained when young how to use a shotgun even if they load and operate differently.  I posted you an article about Lynette Fromme who grew up around shotgun and rifle use when she was young.  She tried to shoot US President Ford with a semi-aut handgun but didn't know it needed to have a round manually chambered first and thus the gun didn't fire and she was disarmed without doing any damage. 

That is what would have happened to SHeila if she grabbed the weapon, figured out how to insert a magazine and then held it on her father.  It woudl nto have fired and he woudl have been able to disarm her.

You ignore this because it is inconvenient to what you decided you want to believe in spite of the evidence.  You just dismiss it without any rational basis and make the ridiculous claim itdoesn't matter she didn't know how to load it or chamber a round. It doesn't matter to you because you don't care about the truth but rather what you choose to believe happened in spite of the evidence.  To peopel who care about facts, evidence and what relaly happened it is a big deal and matters a great deal.

The issue of her poor hand eye coordination and the side effects of her medicne which woudl cause her to have tremors and inhibit her effective use of firearms is not sexists and has nothign to do with her gender. It has to do with evidence that she had bad hand eye coordination and dexterity issues. You choose to ignore this liek you ignore all evidence and when people bring it up you simply dismiss it's significance as you dismiss anything that detracts from your position.  Dismissing it doesn't make it go away.  It must be refuted to go away and dissmissing it doesn't refute it.





“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #79 on: January 28, 2015, 08:07:00 PM »
She didn't need to know how to load the gun and chamber a round to be able to use it?  That is perhaps the dumbest thing you have ever written on this this site.

You are demonstrating how ridiculously biased and irrational you are being.  You have to be very desperate to ignore something that basic and dismiss its significance.

Sheila's family said that she had no interest in learning about weapons.   Far form being a sexist comment it is reality that fathers taught sons how to shoot not daughters and that in boy schools shooting was taught but girls in school were not taught.  This is not posters being sexist but rather being rational, objective and facing evidence.  You don't want to face evidence you want to just ignore and dismiss anything that challenges you.

At any rate even if her father forced her to learn about weapons he did not own any semi-automatics so could not have taught her how to use semiautomatics when young.  The first semi-auto he ever purchased was not purchased until the end of November 1984 and was purchased at Jeremy's insitience and purchased for Jeremy. he is the one who wanted a semi-auto.  Why was he so desperate to have a semi-auto?  Quite obviously so that the murders he planned to commit with it would go more smoothly.

SInce it was the first semi-auto, even if Sheial were taught how to load and use a shotgun when young that would not enable her to know how to load and operate the murder weapons because they loaded and operated differently.  Ther eis no detachable magazine for a shotgun it is organic to the weapon.  There is no need to chamber a round manually first for the shotguns they possessed either.  Sheila would thus have no idea that a round even needed to be manually chmabered first let alone know how to do so.

This was pointed out to you multiple times in the past.  Your silly way of dealing with it is to claim well who cares she would be able to use any weapon in the world by being trained when young how to use a shotgun even if they load and operate differently.  I posted you an article about Lynette Fromme who grew up around shotgun and rifle use when she was young.  She tried to shoot US President Ford with a semi-aut handgun but didn't know it needed to have a round manually chambered first and thus the gun didn't fire and she was disarmed without doing any damage. 

That is what would have happened to SHeila if she grabbed the weapon, figured out how to insert a magazine and then held it on her father.  It woudl nto have fired and he woudl have been able to disarm her.

You ignore this because it is inconvenient to what you decided you want to believe in spite of the evidence.  You just dismiss it without any rational basis and make the ridiculous claim itdoesn't matter she didn't know how to load it or chamber a round. It doesn't matter to you because you don't care about the truth but rather what you choose to believe happened in spite of the evidence.  To peopel who care about facts, evidence and what relaly happened it is a big deal and matters a great deal.

The issue of her poor hand eye coordination and the side effects of her medicne which woudl cause her to have tremors and inhibit her effective use of firearms is not sexists and has nothign to do with her gender. It has to do with evidence that she had bad hand eye coordination and dexterity issues. You choose to ignore this liek you ignore all evidence and when people bring it up you simply dismiss it's significance as you dismiss anything that detracts from your position.  Dismissing it doesn't make it go away.  It must be refuted to go away and dissmissing it doesn't refute it.

I didn't say SC didn't need to know how to load and attach a mag and chamber a round.  I implied that the skills are transferable from one firearm to another and that she did not need previous experience with the rifle in question.  You have no idea whether or not NB had previously owned a semi-auto rifle similar to the purchase in Nov '84.  Or whether SC had exposure/experience elsewhere.

From your quote above "Sheila's family said that she had no interest in learning about weapons."  It rather begs the question that they thought they knew SC well enough to make that statement and yet evidently did not know her well enough to identify her children at the morgue? 

When it suits all concerned quote that NB and SC had a positive and close relationship and yet when it comes to familiarization with weapons its exclusive to fathers and sons.  Rubbish.  Fact is most daughters are closer to their fathers.  My father (adoptive) a civil eng by prof taught me loads: DIY, car mechanics, gardening and golf.  Oh and cooking as he was better than my mother (adoptive).  He was a also a very good artist (drawing and painting) but I am afraid I was truly hopeless at that.  I am sure it would have been par for the course that NB and SC would take strolls around the fields and NB showed SC how to handle weapons.

JB tells us that June taught him how to cook.  Yet AE's WS's tell us that June ASKED AE to teach SC to cook!  Make of that what you will!

You banging on about President Ford is akin to David banging on about Andrea Yates!  Keep it relevant.

SC's coordination, medication etc, etc did not prevent her carrying out a host of activities requiring manual dexterity eg serving food and drink to guests at a party a few days prior to the tragedy, shaping her eyebrows, manicuring and polishing her nails, applying full face make-up, styling her hair.

Get real.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #80 on: January 28, 2015, 09:10:00 PM »
See how Bunny Hunter was taught to use firearms by her father.  Totally cool girl  8(>((

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_mJ-4a1DcI
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #81 on: January 28, 2015, 10:21:10 PM »
Are you being serious? Your claiming Shelia could have been brain dead but still be alive a breathing for several hours with two bullet wounds to the neck and major blood loss?

scipio_usmc - medical experts Professor Marco Meloni and Professor Cavalli reported that the photos indicate Shelia died less than two hours before the photo was taken at 8-9am. Your opinion on the other hand has no expert or professional credibility its just your opinion.


Am I serious?  Yes...dead serious!

No expert can give the exact time of death from any photograph.  The problem in this case is that the police didn't call the pathologist out to the scene so it was many hours later when he examined Sheila in the morgue.  It is difficult enough at the best of times for a pathologist to determine time of death after many hours have passed so the delay in carrying out an autopsy didn't help.

Fact is, nobody knows for sure when Sheila expired.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2015, 11:26:04 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #82 on: January 28, 2015, 11:09:34 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFy0fecVJYs

A female supposedly new to an AK57.  Beautiful sound as the bullet ricochets around.  I want a gun  8(*( 8(*( 8(*(
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #83 on: January 28, 2015, 11:21:06 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFy0fecVJYs

A female supposedly new to an AK57.  Beautiful sound as the bullet ricochets around.  I want a gun  8(*( 8(*( 8(*(

The sound is the echo from the gunshot Holly.   8(0(*

ps    I take it you mean the AK47?
« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 01:23:43 AM by Admin »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #84 on: January 28, 2015, 11:54:50 PM »
The sound is the echo from the gunshot Holly.   8(0(*

ps    I take it you mean the AK47?

Yes that's what I meant to say as the sound echo's around.  I thought it said AK57 but AK47 sounds familiar. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2015, 01:00:44 AM »
I didn't say SC didn't need to know how to load and attach a mag and chamber a round.  I implied that the skills are transferable from one firearm to another and that she did not need previous experience with the rifle in question.  You have no idea whether or not NB had previously owned a semi-auto rifle similar to the purchase in Nov '84.  Or whether SC had exposure/experience elsewhere.

The skills are not transferable between weapons that function differently. I know that all the evidence available indicates the first semi-auto was purchased in 1984 and at Jeremy's insistence because he wanted a semi-auto so he would be able to shoot his family faster. You intentionally ignore that Sheila wasn't intereste din guns, that even Jeremy admits she hadn't fired any and suggest Sheila  would know how to operate the wepaon because you are absolutely desperate to assert she committed the crimes so you can present your troubled adoptee theory. You are absolutely shameless to smear her memory for your own agenda.



From your quote above "Sheila's family said that she had no interest in learning about weapons."  It rather begs the question that they thought they knew SC well enough to make that statement and yet evidently did not know her well enough to identify her children at the morgue? 

When it suits all concerned quote that NB and SC had a positive and close relationship and yet when it comes to familiarization with weapons its exclusive to fathers and sons.  Rubbish.  Fact is most daughters are closer to their fathers.  My father (adoptive) a civil eng by prof taught me loads: DIY, car mechanics, gardening and golf.  Oh and cooking as he was better than my mother (adoptive).  He was a also a very good artist (drawing and painting) but I am afraid I was truly hopeless at that.  I am sure it would have been par for the course that NB and SC would take strolls around the fields and NB showed SC how to handle weapons.

JB tells us that June taught him how to cook.  Yet AE's WS's tell us that June ASKED AE to teach SC to cook!  Make of that what you will!

This is a perfect example of how you just make up any crap that suits your agenda.  What evidence do you have that Neville taught Sheila how to use firearms?  None!  You just decided that since he was her rock that means he would have bonded with her over weapons.  Yet the relatives say that is not the case and even Jeremy doesn't assert such.  you just made it all up to suit your agenda and that is all you do on this board.  You ignore the evidence available and just make up any crap you feel like.  Your belief that he would have taught her how to use weapons and that they would have bonded over it means absolutely nothing. It is not evidence that your beliefs are true.  Evidence matters your unsupported opinions do not.

You banging on about President Ford is akin to David banging on about Andrea Yates!  Keep it relevant.

SC's coordination, medication etc, etc did not prevent her carrying out a host of activities requiring manual dexterity eg serving food and drink to guests at a party a few days prior to the tragedy, shaping her eyebrows, manicuring and polishing her nails, applying full face make-up, styling her hair.

Get real.

I am real she had such poor coordination she could not even drive.  The fact that Lynette Fromme didn't know she had to chamber a round in a semi-auto though she grew up around the use of shotguns and thus botched her attempted assassination is relevant.  It illustrates the very issue at hand.  Unlike you I actually provided an example that is on point.  You on the other hand make claims that are wrong and totally illogical such as your bogus claim that a case was reversed because of a judge's error during summation when it had to do with a coerced confession. You are a very poor judge of what is relevant or logical since you constantly make illogical, irrelevant posts.

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2015, 01:09:10 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFy0fecVJYs

A female supposedly new to an AK57.  Beautiful sound as the bullet ricochets around.  I want a gun  8(*( 8(*( 8(*(

The weapon was loaded and the first round chambered before the video was filmed.  The only thing she is doing in the video is firing then moving the gun to safe. Then she moves it to fire, fires and moves the safety again.  Obviously she was taught where the safety is, how to operate the safety and told to put it in safe after each shot.  She didn't learn how to do it on her own just by virtue of having fired different weapons she was specifically taught how to use it.  The difference between this civilian model and the one I fired in the military is that it had 3 settings full auto, semi-auto and safe. This one just has semi-auto and safe. The safety is on the opposite side of an M-16. Moreover it operates differently instead of a switch that spins the lever on the AKM is moved up or down. I learned to operate the AKM through training not by being given the gun and simply expected to know immediately how to operate it.

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #87 on: January 29, 2015, 01:28:41 AM »
Yes that's what I meant to say as the sound echo's around.  I thought it said AK57 but AK47 sounds familiar.

There is no such thing as an AK-57.  The military weapon is the AKM.  The AKM was replaced by the AK-74 but both are still used.  The AKM was an improved version of the AK-47. The AK-74 is designed to fire smaller ammunition and thus has shorter range.  Some units preferred the longer range AKM so still have some and use both.  The Chinese copied the AK-47 in 1956 and it is the Type 56. For sale to countries that use NATO ammunition they made the AK-101, it is an AK-74 chambered in NATO 5.56mm as opposed to the usual Soviet 5.45mm. 

Many people will call any AK family rifle an AK-47 though most are not technically AK-47s.  This is especially true of civilian models where people will call just about anything an AK-47 regardless of where it was made.

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline John

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2015, 11:29:30 AM »
An AK57 is a Crux rucksack made in China and the nearest it comes to weaponry is that it is manufactured in gunmetal grey.   

Anyone for a hike?    @)(++(*



www.crux.uk.com/en/rucksacks.php?range=1&product=4
« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 11:41:14 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Sheila re loading. Twice.
« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2015, 02:25:30 PM »
The skills are not transferable between weapons that function differently. I know that all the evidence available indicates the first semi-auto was purchased in 1984 and at Jeremy's insistence because he wanted a semi-auto so he would be able to shoot his family faster. You intentionally ignore that Sheila wasn't intereste din guns, that even Jeremy admits she hadn't fired any and suggest Sheila  would know how to operate the wepaon because you are absolutely desperate to assert she committed the crimes so you can present your troubled adoptee theory. You are absolutely shameless to smear her memory for your own agenda.

What skill is required to load bullets into a mag, slot the mag in, chamber a round and pull the trigger?  The mechanical process is no more difficult than it is with a host of everyday equipment eg changing a battery in a household appliance, food mixer, erecting and collapsing a baby buggy. 

I cannot recall what type of car I had my formal driving lessons in but my first personally owned car was a mini 1275GT (same car as Marc Bolan died in).  Since then I have owned and had access to a wide range of motor vehicles.  The controls and transmission are all different.  I don't have to think about it I get in and go because I know how to drive a car ie the basic skills are transferable in the same way that they are with all equipment. including firearms.

How do you know the first semi auto NB owned was the one purchased in Nov '84?  Prove it?  How do you know JB initiated the purchase and not NB?  If the relationship was strained why did the pair make the purchase together?  SC didn't need to be interested in guns to pick it up and fire it.  I am not particularly interested in my car but it doesn't stop me getting in it and driving it.  I am not particularly interested in my vacuum cleaner but it doesn't stop me turning it on to vacuum.  I am not particularly interested in my mobile phone but it doesn't stop me manipulating it via the screen to perform various functions.  How interested does someone have to be in something to perform a function/pick up a semi-auto rifle, prepare it for fire and pull the trigger? 

I wish I was clever enough to come up with the adoption, attachment and neuroscientific theories, research and studies relevant to the WHF tragedy but I have to hand the credit for that to all the various professors and doctors at the Ivy League unis in US. 

Whoa you're resulting to emotional blackmail now are you?  Bit big girls blousy.  I am shameless in my smearing of SC?  I haven't seen you come to her defence when posters refer to her as "promiscuous" and worse.


From your quote above "Sheila's family said that she had no interest in learning about weapons."  It rather begs the question that they thought they knew SC well enough to make that statement and yet evidently did not know her well enough to identify her children at the morgue? 

This is a perfect example of how you just make up any crap that suits your agenda.  What evidence do you have that Neville taught Sheila how to use firearms?  None!  You just decided that since he was her rock that means he would have bonded with her over weapons.  Yet the relatives say that is not the case and even Jeremy doesn't assert such.  you just made it all up to suit your agenda and that is all you do on this board.  You ignore the evidence available and just make up any crap you feel like.  Your belief that he would have taught her how to use weapons and that they would have bonded over it means absolutely nothing. It is not evidence that your beliefs are true.  Evidence matters your unsupported opinions do not.

What evidence do you have that NB, JB, her farm hand boyfriend and or a.n others didn't provide same basic instruction?  It should be fairly obvious that if a female grows up on a farm with a brother as an only sibling she will have sufficient exposure/experience to guns to pick one up, perform the most basic functions and fire it.  I have already stated that complete novices should have been placed in a room where they witnessed a proficient operator/handler load and fire the weapon in question half a dozen times and then see how many of the novices were capable of duplicating the action.   


I am real she had such poor coordination she could not even drive.  The fact that Lynette Fromme didn't know she had to chamber a round in a semi-auto though she grew up around the use of shotguns and thus botched her attempted assassination is relevant.  It illustrates the very issue at hand.  Unlike you I actually provided an example that is on point.  You on the other hand make claims that are wrong and totally illogical such as your bogus claim that a case was reversed because of a judge's error during summation when it had to do with a coerced confession. You are a very poor judge of what is relevant or logical since you constantly make illogical, irrelevant posts.

She didn't need to learn to drive as she lived in London.  A car is a pain in London with parking and traffic.  CC was some years older than SC and he didn't learn to drive until June funded his lessons.  Please provide my post where I stated that Justice Drake's summation was in anyway a factor in the MoJ of the Bridgewater 4? I simply pointed out that JB and the Bridgwater 4 shared the same trial judge. Crucial difference between Lynette Frome and Sheila Caffell is that Lynette Frome did not grow up on a farm where a wide range of firearms were kept and used. Lynette Frome's father was an aeronautical engineer and her mother a homemaker.  SC's father was a former RAF pilot and farmer and her mother a farmer too.  But hey that's Skip's peverse logic.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?