Libel trial day 14 - Statement of facts proved/not proved issued to lawyers.

[jassi]

In denial........I wondered how this would be spun...and now I know...if there were twenty points and only 4 have been proved ...amaral wins 16...4...absolutely brilliant....so amaral has won...someone needs to tell him
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If your figures were right, it would hardly be a resounding win. We need to see how it will translate into any settlement.

[Mr Gray]

If your figures were right, it would hardly be a resounding win.

I've spun it for you...problem is in reality it's like this...

you are accused of 20 murders and only found guilty of 4...is that a result

[DCI]

Quite possibly Freddie DCI. But the press does seem somewhat imprecise on this matter and as is well shown in this forum I don't know A from a bulls foot 

I didn't say the press, it was Montclair.

[jassi]

I've spun it for you...problem is in reality it's like this...

you are accused of 20 murders and only found guilty of 4...is that a result

Not really the same thing at all. Not all the different points have equal value.

[Mr Gray]

Not really the same thing at all. Not all the different points have equal value.

so do you think this is a good result for amaral

[jassi]

Don't know as I haven't seen all the judgement, nor seen what the final outcome will be.

[Mr Gray]

Don't know as I haven't seen all the judgement, nor seen what the final outcome will be.

Well I have seen enough to know it's very bad for amaral....as I predicted

[ferryman]

These points (including the ones not filled in) presented for us by Astro represent tip of the iceberg.

Huge swathes of the judgment considered proved simply don't appear at all in the document astro produced

In order, the magistrate also considered that the book reproduces excerpts appearing on the process in which Kate and Gerry McCann were made defendants, in September 2007, filed in July of the following year, even though the British couple has been charged.

These elements were given as proven at trial, which began in October 2013, and will be considered for the preparation of the decision that will be communicated to the parties soon, but that has no due date.

What Astro produced is in addition to that already proved, some of (the additional) material also proved; some not.

Net result: Amaral has lost ...

[stephen25000]

These points (including the ones not filled in) presented for us by Astro represent tip of the iceberg.

Huge swathes of the judgment considered proved simply don't appear at all in the document astro produced

In order, the magistrate also considered that the book reproduces excerpts appearing on the process in which Kate and Gerry McCann were made defendants, in September 2007, filed in July of the following year, even though the British couple has been charged.

These elements were given as proven at trial, which began in October 2013, and will be considered for the preparation of the decision that will be communicated to the parties soon, but that has no due date.

What Astro produced is in addition to that already proved, some of (the additional) material also proved; some not.

Net result: Amaral has lost ...

Nope.

Now let's see how much money the McCann's get.

and you know the answer to that one.

[jassi]

That will certainly be the measure of success or otherwise.

[DCI]

These points (including the ones not filled in) presented for us by Astro represent tip of the iceberg.

Huge swathes of the judgment considered proved simply don't appear at all in the document astro produced

In order, the magistrate also considered that the book reproduces excerpts appearing on the process in which Kate and Gerry McCann were made defendants, in September 2007, filed in July of the following year, even though the British couple has been charged.

These elements were given as proven at trial, which began in October 2013, and will be considered for the preparation of the decision that will be communicated to the parties soon, but that has no due date.

What Astro produced is in addition to that already proved, some of (the additional) material also proved; some not.

Net result: Amaral has lost ...

I presume those are included in the 12 missing parts.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Oh My goodness, a lot of rolly faces...rolling and lolloing all over the forum. Is it somebody's birthday?
The McCanns have not 'won' anything- they lost a lot of support when they took this case on using 'fund' money.

So, where Clarry darling declaring Amaral has lost?  Hmm eh?   Oh gosh, he is not on the late news telling us about the parents being exonerated.

Maybe the 'friend of the family' is in the counting house - counting all the money they have made from a little girls demise..

[ferryman]

I presume those are included in the 12 missing parts.

I think that much was considered proven from written submissions before the trial commenced.

But you may be right.

[Mr Gray]

That will certainly be the measure of success or otherwise.

I expect the mccanns to receive damages...Duarte seems to have none a brilliant job...don't know how much that will be but to me what's most important is that amaral has lost his case...any money will simply be paid into the fund

[Miss Taken Identity]

I expect the mccanns to receive damages...Duarte seems to have none a brilliant job...don't know how much that will be but to me what's most important is that amaral has lost his case...any money will simply be paid into the fund

...and how do you come to that conclusion given the judge has said the McCanns were upset at the contents of the book"which is normal" (to be upset) but that the book did not cause the 'suffering' they claimed.  I don't know how  they can claim monies on behalf of Maddie as her where about is 'unknown'. The judge cannot make an award to someone who may be dead.

It is interesting that after being 'missing' for more than 7 years she could be declared dead legally. There is also the claim for the twins- they were not represented by their own lawyer or independent Psychologist/Psychiatrist.

They also failed to provide evidence of the search being affected...