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Author Topic: Libel trial day 14 - Statement of facts proved/not proved issued to lawyers.  (Read 146999 times)

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28. Does the documentary only contain facts that are also in the inquiry files?

(Both articles) It is proved that the facts in the book and in the documentary, concerning the investigation, are mostly facts that took place in the investigation and are documented as such.

The judge does note that some of the facts in the book are not complete, and some facts that are in the book are not in the case files, including Jane Tanner's "informal" recognition of Robert Murat.

I hope the judge isn't trying to find that informal recognition, or we will be here another 10 years.

I would say the key bit there is not in the case files.

ie Jane Tanner's "informal recognition" of Robert Murat is not in the case files ...

Offline Brietta

I really can't say whether things looker brighter or not for the McCanns, but their man will no doubt be along shortly to put a good spin on it.

Yeah ... maybe their man will be able to answer DCI's query about where ... No's 1 to 10 disappeared to ... also where No's 18, 19, 20, 23, & 26 are.

Must admit to a certain curiosity about it myself. 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Yes, that really is very fishy indeed... &%+((£

Martin Brunt @skymartinbrunt · 28m 28 minutes ago
#Madeleine Lisbon judge rules ex-cop's book caused McCanns hurt and emotional distress. From private hearing ahead of libel judgement
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I would say the key bit there is not in the case files.

ie Jane Tanner's "informal recognition" of Robert Murat is not in the case files ...

I was being sarcastic FM lol.
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2. The cover price of the book “Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira” in Portugal is € 13.80, including VAT?

It is proved that the editor set the selling price at 13,33 euro, including VAT.

3. Defendant Gonçalo Amaral has earned from the sale of the book “Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira” an amount that is not less than € 621.000,00?

4. Defendant Gonçalo Amaral has earned from the sale of editions in foreign languages of the book an amount that is not less than € 498.750,00?

(Items 3&4) It is proved that Gonçalo Amaral earned 342.111,86 euro from the sales of the book in the years 2008 and 2009. This information is based on data from the Portuguese Revenue Agency.


It seems that Gonçalo Amaral earned a lot less than the McCanns claimed he did and this info is from Mr. Taxman.

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Yeah ... maybe their man will be able to answer DCI's query about where ... No's 1 to 10 disappeared to ... also where No's 18, 19, 20, 23, & 26 are.

Must admit to a certain curiosity about it myself.

Oh I see they are being posted now  8((()*/
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2. The cover price of the book “Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira” in Portugal is € 13.80, including VAT?

It is proved that the editor set the selling price at 13,33 euro, including VAT.

3. Defendant Gonçalo Amaral has earned from the sale of the book “Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira” an amount that is not less than € 621.000,00?

4. Defendant Gonçalo Amaral has earned from the sale of editions in foreign languages of the book an amount that is not less than € 498.750,00?

(Items 3&4) It is proved that Gonçalo Amaral earned 342.111,86 euro from the sales of the book in the years 2008 and 2009. This information is based on data from the Portuguese Revenue Agency.


It seems that Gonçalo Amaral earned a lot less than the McCanns claimed he did and this info is from Mr. Taxman.


Yes after a court order to get them. You said he had handed them over.  Did he kept accounts?
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5. The book was sold in Brazil by defendant “Guerra e Paz, Editores, S.A.”?

Not proved.

6. The DVD has a cover price of € 6,00?

Proved that it was sold for 6,95 euro with newspaper Correio daManhã.

7. Defendant Gonçalo Amaral has earned from the sale of the DVD an amount that is not less than € 112.500,00?

Proved that he earned 40.000 euro from DVD sales in 2008. Based on info from the Revenue Service.

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Offline a.baker

So,the book didnt harm the search nor cause Kate a deep depression  &%&£(+

Does anyone know if the McCann's were allowed to make a claim for Madeleine after-all? (ward of court issue)

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I was being sarcastic FM lol.

Beg your pardon.

I am sometimes slow to catch up on irony ...

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Why the close focus on Gonc's earnings from the book and the video if there isn't a strong likelihood of him having to part with some or all of it at some point in the near future...?

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I imagine that it had to be established as part of the process irrespective of outcome.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

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So,the book didnt harm the search nor cause Kate a deep depression  &%&£(+

Does anyone know if the McCann's were allowed to make a claim for Madeleine after-all? (ward of court issue)

The McCanns have 30 days, as from today, to present the documentation from the High Court which authorises them to represent Madeleine in the court case.

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Why the close focus on Gonc's earnings from the book and the video if there isn't a strong likelihood of him having to part with some or all of it at some point in the near future...?

In any court case, the lawyers for all of the parties and the judge get together beforehand and discuss and decide which facts must be proven and the amount of his earnings was one of the "quesitos".