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Author Topic: Libel trial day 14 - Statement of facts proved/not proved issued to lawyers.  (Read 147123 times)

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Offline faithlilly

If I were seeking confirmation that today's result was anything other than good news as far as Madeleine McCann's family is concerned ... it is contained in the posts from one or two posters which become more and more distracted as realisation begins to penetrate.

 @)(++(* Absolutely, without a doubt, post of the week !
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

in the UK the person being sued will try to seek an out of court settlement with the plaintiffs. If the plaintiffs refuse and the ultimate settlement is less than the defendant offered then the plaintiff can be made to pay the costs of both sides.

But we are talking about Portugal not the UK and the McCanns are the plaintiffs.

the sum can be suggested by either side...if amaral has declined to settle at x amount...he will be toast

Offline pathfinder73

I would say the key bit there is not in the case files.

ie Jane Tanner's "informal recognition" of Robert Murat is not in the case files ...

It's her rog.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline faithlilly

http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/livro-de-inspector-da-judiciaria-prejudicou-casal-mccann-1682917

Thank you to themaddiecasefiles for translation.




Court says that it was not Gonçalo Amaral’s book which “destroyed” Maddie’s parents


by PEDRO SALES DIAS 21/01/2015 - 17:04 (updated 22:08)


The McCann couple took a civil action against the ex – inspector for defamation and damages caused by the publication of his book. They are claiming compensation of 1.2 million Euros.

This Wednesday, Lisbon Civil Court considered that it was not Gonçalo Amaral’s book “Maddie: The Truth of the Lie” which “destroyed” the parents of the English girl who disappeared from the Algarve on 3rd May 2007.

“It was not proven that Kate and Gerry McCann have been destroyed from the moral, social and ethical points of view. From the family’s point of view the evidence revealed a successful effort of cohesion and mutual help”, said the judge, emphasizing that “from the sentimental/emotional point of view, it is not credible that the sequel of the facts in these files would go as far as the destruction or even in excess of the pain caused by the disappearance of their daughter”.

The “negative emotional” state of the parents is “pre-existing to the book”, says the legal dispatch to which Público had access and which indicated the replies to the claims, the facts given as proven or not proven, before sentencing, in the civil case brought by the couple against the ex PJ inspector. The couple are claiming compensation of 1.2 million euros for defamation and damage caused by the book’s publication.

The judge estimates as not proven the social damages that the McCanns also claim to have suffered with the broadcast and sale of a DVD documentary and an interview with the ex – Portimão PJ coordinator. In the book, Amaral defends the supposed involvement of Kate and Gerry McCann in the disappearance and in the hiding of the girl’s body.

“Given the court dispatch in which no link has been proven between the book and alleged damage suffered by the couple, I do not expect anything other than the absolution of Gonçalo Amaral”,said his lawyer Miguel Cruz Rodrigues to Público. Público tried to contact Isabel Duarte, the couple’s lawyer, without success. Gonçalo Amaral did not want to comment.

However, the court did not find as proven that “as a consequence of the defendant, Gonçalo Amaral’s statements in the book, documentary and interview”, that Maddie’s parents “felt anger, despair, anguish and worry, having suffered insomnia and lack of appetite”. This at the same time that it was proven that the facts mentioned by the ex – inspector in his book “are, in the majority, facts that occurred and which are documented” in the criminal investigation.

The legal dispatch also mentions various witnesses Heard by the court, some provided by Maddie McCann’s parents and who emphasise the harm that they consider was done to the couple. “Many people turned their backs on them”, after the publication of the book, said Susan Lorrain Hubbard, the wife of an English vicar and friend of the McCann family. Also Alan Pike, who offered the couple psychological support, “stated that the publication of the book and its conclusions left the couple with anguish and that one of the most devastating effects, for them, was the belief that the book would influence public opinion, leading to people stopping their search for Madeleine.

However, the court determined as not proven that due to the book, interview and documentary the PJ stopped collecting information and investigating the disappearance. The court heard from PJ inspectors including Ricardo Paiva, an inspector who participated in the investigation of the disappearance and who emphasized that the “girl’s death was a hypothesis in the investigation”. Also the director of the National Anti-Terrorism Unit, Luís Neves, underlined that “the first time the death hypothesis was raised, the parents suggested the intervention of a South African specialist equipped with a machine to find buried bodies”.

The court emphasised that for the “majority of people” who had read the book, the thesis contained within it did not attribute “responsibilities” to the McCann for their daughter’s death, but rather that they had “responsibilities for hiding her body”.

Maddies’ parents were made arguidos during the investigation into her disappearance which was archived in 2008 due to lack of evidence that a crime had occurred. The investigation was re-opened in October 2013 following a proposal from the PJ and given new elements that justified continuing with the investigation.

(Article updated at 22.08. It replaces the Lusa article entitled “Court decides as proven the damage caused by Gonçalo Amaral to Kate and Gerry McCann”, published in Público news).
« Last Edit: January 22, 2015, 12:42:41 AM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

stephen25000

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Amaral claimed in july 14 he would countersue the McCanns for damages...is he going barmy?

It's not Amaral going barmy with the judgement, but I know who is. 8((()*/

stephen25000

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It's quite simple to those with some legal knowledge...even if the mccanns win...they could not guarantee amaral would have to pay costs....by trying to reach  a settlement they have ensured amaral will be liable for their costs...happens all the time...courts really don't like having their time wasted

It is the mccanns who have wasted the courts times with their spurious claims.

You can guarantee the Amaral and the other parties involved will be seeking costs for legal expenses incurred.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2015, 04:21:29 PM by John »

Alfred R Jones

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http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/livro-de-inspector-da-judiciaria-prejudicou-casal-mccann-1682917

Thank you to themaddiecasefiles for translation.




Court says that it was not Gonçalo Amaral’s book which “destroyed” Maddie’s parents


by PEDRO SALES DIAS 21/01/2015 - 17:04 (updated 22:08)


The McCann couple took a civil action against the ex – inspector for defamation and damages caused by the publication of his book. They are claiming compensation of 1.2 million Euros.

This Wednesday, Lisbon Civil Court considered that it was not Gonçalo Amaral’s book “Maddie: The Truth of the Lie” which “destroyed” the parents of the English girl who disappeared from the Algarve on 3rd May 2007.

“It was not proven that Kate and Gerry McCann have been destroyed from the moral, social and ethical points of view. From the family’s point of view the evidence revealed a successful effort of cohesion and mutual help”, said the judge, emphasizing that “from the sentimental/emotional point of view, it is not credible that the sequel of the facts in these files would go as far as the destruction or even in excess of the pain caused by the disappearance of their daughter”.

The “negative emotional” state of the parents is “pre-existing to the book”, says the legal dispatch to which Público had access and which indicated the replies to the claims, the facts given as proven or not proven, before sentencing, in the civil case brought by the couple against the ex PJ inspector. The couple are claiming compensation of 1.2 million euros for defamation and damage caused by the book’s publication.

The judge estimates as not proven the social damages that the McCanns also claim to have suffered with the broadcast and sale of a DVD documentary and an interview with the ex – Portimão PJ coordinator. In the book, Amaral defends the supposed involvement of Kate and Gerry McCann in the disappearance and in the hiding of the girl’s body.

“Given the court dispatch in which no link has been proven between the book and alleged damage suffered by the couple, I do not expect anything other than the absolution of Gonçalo Amaral”,said his lawyer Miguel Cruz Rodrigues to Público. Público tried to contact Isabel Duarte, the couple’s lawyer, without success. Gonçalo Amaral did not want to comment.

However, the court did not find as proven that “as a consequence of the defendant, Gonçalo Amaral’s statements in the book, documentary and interview”, that Maddie’s parents “felt anger, despair, anguish and worry, having suffered insomnia and lack of appetite”. This at the same time that it was proven that the facts mentioned by the ex – inspector in his book “are, in the majority, facts that occurred and which are documented” in the criminal investigation.

The legal dispatch also mentions various witnesses Heard by the court, some provided by Maddie McCann’s parents and who emphasise the harm that they consider was done to the couple. “Many people turned their backs on them”, after the publication of the book, said Susan Lorrain Hubbard, the wife of an English vicar and friend of the McCann family. Also Alan Pike, who offered the couple psychological support, “stated that the publication of the book and its conclusions left the couple with anguish and that one of the most devastating effects, for them, was the belief that the book would influence public opinion, leading to people stopping their search for Madeleine.

However, the court determined as not proven that due to the book, interview and documentary the PJ stopped collecting information and investigating the disappearance. The court heard from PJ inspectors including Ricardo Paiva, an inspector who participated in the investigation of the disappearance and who emphasized that the “girl’s death was a hypothesis in the investigation”. Also the director of the National Anti-Terrorism Unit, Luís Neves, underlined that “the first time the death hypothesis was raised, the parents suggested the intervention of a South African specialist equipped with a machine to find buried bodies”.

The court emphasised that for the “majority of people” who had read the book, the thesis contained within it did not attribute “responsibilities” to the McCann for their daughter’s death, but rather that they had “responsibilities for hiding her body”.

Maddies’ parents were made arguidos during the investigation into her disappearance which was archived in 2008 due to lack of evidence that a crime had occurred. The investigation was re-opened in October 2013 following a proposal from the PJ and given new elements that justified continuing with the investigation.

(Article updated at 22.08. It replaces the Lusa article entitled “Court decides as proven the damage caused by Gonçalo Amaral to Kate and Gerry McCann”, published in Público news).
And that's Team Amaral's version of events - nice bit of spin there!

Offline Mr Gray

I wondered how they could possibly spin the bad news and now we know....be interesting to see what happens at the full verdict. Remember many on here had claimed that the McCcanns had failed to prove anything

stephen25000

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I wondered how they could possibly spin the bad news and now we know....be interesting to see what happens at the full verdict. Remember many on here had claimed that the McCcanns had failed to prove anything

The bad news is for the mccanns.

Get real.

Alfred R Jones

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And so begins two months of further argument about yesterdays words in court and what they tell us about who will win what *girds loins*

stephen25000

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And so begins two months of further argument about yesterdays words in court and what they tell us about who will win what *girds loins*

There  is no argument.

It was clear cut.

Alfred R Jones

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There  is no argument.

It was clear cut.
So there won't be any arguing on here about what was said and what was meant?  Is that your view? @)(++(*

Offline jassi

There  is no argument.

It was clear cut.


When has that ever stopped argument?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Come on now, what was said by the judge in court yesterday was the complete opposite of clear cut, we can surely agree on that?!

Offline Montclair

Come on now, what was said by the judge in court yesterday was the complete opposite of clear cut, we can surely agree on that?!

The lawyers for the defense pretty well concluded that it was clear cut.