Libel trial day 14 - Statement of facts proved/not proved issued to lawyers.

[Mr Gray]

Some of you do not understand that Gonçalo Amaral did not write the book to make money. As he has often said, he wrote it not only for his honour but for the honour of the investigation, his colleagues and the institution of the PJ. Furthermore, neither he nor the publisher thought that the book would be a best seller. I do realise that this concept is difficult for some to comprehend, since in the eyes of some posters here that he is evil incarnate.

and to some the McCanns are evil incarnate

[Carana]

&%+((£ Written in a different way? In 2008? Even if it did have GA's name on it, who would have bought a book that said even less than the one by Danny Collins?

By the time the book came, anyone who'd been following the case would have known Amaral's name as the former coordinator. People would have bought it out of curiosity, whatever he'd said.

Danny Collins's book wasn't translated into Portuguese, was it?

[Brietta]

Some of you do not understand that Gonçalo Amaral did not write the book to make money. As he has often said, he wrote it not only for his honour but for the honour of the investigation, his colleagues and the institution of the PJ. Furthermore, neither he nor the publisher thought that the book would be a best seller. I do realise that this concept is difficult for some to comprehend, since in the eyes of some posters here that he is evil incarnate.

The concept is so difficult to understand that Dr Amaral's superiors in the PJ didn't latch on to it either ... otherwise, why sack him from Madeleine's case?


National police director Alipio Ribeiro last night confirmed that Mr Amaral had been removed from the case and demoted, saying it was a "decision I took myself".
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/03/ukcrime.uknews4

[Montclair]

The concept is so difficult to understand that Dr Amaral's superiors in the PJ didn't latch on to it either ... otherwise, why sack him from Madeleine's case?


National police director Alipio Ribeiro last night confirmed that Mr Amaral had been removed from the case and demoted, saying it was a "decision I took myself".
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/03/ukcrime.uknews4

Gonçalo Amaral was not demoted, in fact he got a promotion when was sent back to the Faro headquarters.

[Alice Purjorick]

The concept is so difficult to understand that Dr Amaral's superiors in the PJ didn't latch on to it either ... otherwise, why sack him from Madeleine's case?


National police director Alipio Ribeiro last night confirmed that Mr Amaral had been removed from the case and demoted, saying it was a "decision I took myself".
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/03/ukcrime.uknews4

   Because he was going to appear in court re perjury charges and no boss worth his salt would risk jeopardising an investigation under those circumstances. So give him an OBE sideways. Simples.

[Lyall]

By the time the book came, anyone who'd been following the case would have known Amaral's name as the former coordinator. People would have bought it out of curiosity, whatever he'd said.

Danny Collins's book wasn't translated into Portuguese, was it?

I doubt it, but I don't know tbh.

With GA I'd buy a more biographical, less controversial book by him now. But in 2008 people were hoping for a book that said everything they wanted to say themselves, and I don't think they would have bought a watered down one. The book he did produce was already a disappointment for many, because it said little or nothing we didn't already know. But as Montclair indicates he wasn't writing it for us anyway.

[slartibartfast]

Some of you do not understand that Gonçalo Amaral did not write the book to make money. As he has often said, he wrote it not only for his honour but for the honour of the investigation, his colleagues and the institution of the PJ. Furthermore, neither he nor the publisher thought that the book would be a best seller. I do realise that this concept is difficult for some to comprehend, since in the eyes of some posters here that he is evil incarnate.

I think the attempt to ban it gave it a boost of interest it may not have otherwise had.

[Alfred R Jones]

I think the attempt to ban it gave it a boost of interest it may not have otherwise had.

how many had sold before the first attemt to ban it, do you know? 

[Brietta]

Gonçalo Amaral was not demoted, in fact he got a promotion when was sent back to the Faro headquarters.

Funnily enough Dr Amaral seems to be labouring under the impression he was sacked and spends quite a lot of time explaining the injustice of it all.

Hmmm ... promotion ?? ... don't really think so ...


Chapter 21: The dismissal of the head of an investigation: conspiracy or submission?

**snip

It is shortly after 2pm, in the middle of lunch, that I receive the news.

The National Director has sent a fax to the Portimão DIC: in it, he stipulates the end of my assignment and requests my return to Faro.

Today, October 2nd, is my 48th birthday; this is not the present I wanted, but one that I was expecting.

Basically, this brings to an end a campaign of defamation and insults that I have been the target of since the start of the case, the whole thing orchestrated and amplified by the British media.
The strategy is simple: call into question the investigation and those who lead it and, at the same time, present Portugal as a Third-World country with a legal system and police force worthy of the Middle Ages.
http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/chapter-21-dismissal-of-head-of.html

Must just be a mistranslation from Portuguese to French to English.

[faithlilly]

By the time the book came, anyone who'd been following the case would have known Amaral's name as the former coordinator. People would have bought it out of curiosity, whatever he'd said.

Much like Kate's book. Kinda explains why they both turned out to be best sellers !

[colombosstogey]

Some of you do not understand

EXACTLY. He only wrote what was in the process at the time it wasnt just what he was thinking though was it...?

No one had to buy it......IF he did make a lot of money from the sales, then perhaps it shows that not everyone is or was on the McCanns side of things...just a thought.

I read the book actually i read Mrs McCanns as well, and didnt they bring in the guy from Africa with his magical machine to look for her body, so surely they must have been thinking the child was deceased anyway so how could Amarals book stop people looking for her, if they had also done so themselves?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-486196/I-know-Madeleine-buried-says-body-finder-hired-McCanns.html

[ferryman]

For me, the two most reliable indicators of the way things have gone for Amaral are the pronouncements of his own lawyers.

First, we had Santos requesting that proceedings be in camera to protect Madeleine lest Madeleine be alive.

Perhaps that's why Amaral sacked him?

Then, in the most recent court proceedings, we had Amaral's (latest!) lawyer, banging, not the TheMcCannsdunsomethingdreadfultoMadeleineandcovereditup drum, but the other one TheMcCannswerenegligent drum (also dismissed by the prosecutors).

I would say it looks bleak for Amaral.

Does anyone know where Joana Morais has gone?

[stephen25000]

For me, the two most reliable indicators of the way things have gone for Amaral are the pronouncements of his own lawyers.

First, we had Santos requesting that proceedings be in camera to protect Madeleine lest Madeleine be alive.

Perhaps that's why Amaral sacked him?

Then, in the most recent court proceedings, we had Amaral's (latest!) lawyer, banging, not the TheMcCannsdunsomethingdreadfultoMadeleineandcovereditup drum, but the other one TheMcCannswerenegligent drum (also dismissed by the prosecutors).

I would say it looks bleak for Amaral.

Does anyone know where Joana Morais has gone?

haven't you got it yet ferryman ?

The mccanns have singularly failed to prove their case.

Bleak for Amaral ?

That merely reinforces how you are not in touch with reality.

[Mr Gray]

haven't you got it yet ferryman ?

The mccanns have singularly failed to prove their case.

Bleak for Amaral ?

That merely reinforces how you are not in touch with reality.

That's  not what amaral said in his recent interview

[stephen25000]

That's  not what amaral said in his recent interview

Just remind us of the points of contention that the Judge says has not been proved ?

NOT PROVED.....

e.g. The book has not harmed the search for Madeleine.