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Offline John

Sandra Lean has no shame?
« on: August 19, 2012, 09:46:49 PM »
Miss Lean posts this on the blue forum...

That is why I am not ashamed of my involvement in the Adrian Prout case. I would much rather take the risk of potentially being fooled on occasion than sit back, knowing what I do, and do nothing. For what it's worth, through all of the cases I have been involved in, to a greater or lesser degree in the last 9 plus years, Adrian is the only one whose claim of innocence has been destroyed - all of the others, over the years, have produced more and more evidence supportive of their innocence. It's a track record I can handle - I don't pay much heed to the critics, since I don't see most of them even attempting to do what I do every day of the year.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg115759.html#msg115759


The woman is incorrigible.  She should be ashamed at what she put Kate Prouts family through by by promoting the suggestion that she had run off leaving poor Adrian to face the music and the consequences.

The point being that Sandra Lean's actions very nearly allowed a murderer to go free.

Her support of Billy Middleton defines her as a person, morally and professionally.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2012, 09:48:30 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline puglove

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 09:50:33 PM »
Miss Lean posts this on the blue forum...

That is why I am not ashamed of my involvement in the Adrian Prout case. I would much rather take the risk of potentially being fooled on occasion than sit back, knowing what I do, and do nothing. For what it's worth, through all of the cases I have been involved in, to a greater or lesser degree in the last 9 plus years, Adrian is the only one whose claim of innocence has been destroyed - all of the others, over the years, have produced more and more evidence supportive of their innocence. It's a track record I can handle - I don't pay much heed to the critics, since I don't see most of them even attempting to do what I do every day of the year.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg115759.html#msg115759


The woman is incorrigible.  She should be ashamed at what she put Kate Prouts family through by by promoting the suggestion that she had run off leaving poor Adrian to face the music and the consequences.

The point being that Sandra Lean's actions very nearly allowed a murderer to go free.

Her support of Billy Middleton defines her as a person, morally and professionally.

Belton's disgusting, childish behaviour has seen her off, anyway. Well done Beltdown.
There was an old woman called P@
Who worshipped a murdering tw@
She typed all day long
Getting everything wrong
Then her pussyc@ sh@ in her h@.

Offline ActualMat

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 09:51:59 PM »
There was a chance for a good debate with SL. It's a shame she left - but no matter how much I tried to say BACK ON TOPIC!!! The interest wasn't there and it became point scoring with Belton.

Gordeon

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Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2012, 04:39:28 PM »
I know that sometimes people like Sandra get it wrong, but if the truth be known, all her critics have no idea what good she does for those suffering miscarriage of justice. It is easy to be smug and say where there is smoke there is fire, but I know from experience that the courts of law can be totally wrong and if it were not for the likes of Sandra then Justice in the UK would be a farce. They say that justice in the UK is the best in the world and so all I can say is God help the rest  of the world.
By the way, I live in Zambia

Offline John

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 05:10:26 PM »
I know that sometimes people like Sandra get it wrong, but if the truth be known, all her critics have no idea what good she does for those suffering miscarriage of justice. It is easy to be smug and say where there is smoke there is fire, but I know from experience that the courts of law can be totally wrong and if it were not for the likes of Sandra then Justice in the UK would be a farce. They say that justice in the UK is the best in the world and so all I can say is God help the rest  of the world.
By the way, I live in Zambia

What good has she done, give us an example?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes malfeasance by public officials.
Check out my website >   http://johnlamberton.webs.com/index.htm?no_redirect=true     The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Padgates staff

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Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 06:15:56 PM »
Has anyone read her book-No Smoke?

Offline John

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2012, 07:56:36 PM »
Has anyone read her book-No Smoke?

Don't need to as it is all hot air anyway!  @)(++(*
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes malfeasance by public officials.
Check out my website >   http://johnlamberton.webs.com/index.htm?no_redirect=true     The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Stephanie

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 08:45:50 AM »
Miss Lean posts this on the blue forum...

That is why I am not ashamed of my involvement in the Adrian Prout case. I would much rather take the risk of potentially being fooled on occasion than sit back, knowing what I do, and do nothing. For what it's worth, through all of the cases I have been involved in, to a greater or lesser degree in the last 9 plus years, Adrian is the only one whose claim of innocence has been destroyed - all of the others, over the years, have produced more and more evidence supportive of their innocence. It's a track record I can handle - I don't pay much heed to the critics, since I don't see most of them even attempting to do what I do every day of the year.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg115759.html#msg115759


The woman is incorrigible.  She should be ashamed at what she put Kate Prouts family through by by promoting the suggestion that she had run off leaving poor Adrian to face the music and the consequences.

The point being that Sandra Lean's actions very nearly allowed a murderer to go free.

Her support of Billy Middleton defines her as a person, morally and professionally.

http://www.miscarriagesofjustice.org/dr-sandra-lean-speaking-about-luke-mitchells-case/
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2017, 06:33:43 PM »
Dr Sandra Lean 10th January 2017

"Ah, good, I was hoping this would come around again. Stephanie thinks I was “blatantly avoiding” her questions. In fact, the thread had spiralled off in several different directions – I was just waiting until my response made logical sense. So, not hiding anything either.

Stephanie also thinks No Smoke should have been withdrawn or revised. I understand Stephanie’s right to feel that way. While she is also entitled to ask questions, I am under no obligation to answer them. However, on this occasion, I choose to address a couple of matters raised by Stephanie for the benefit of others who may be interested.
 
I spoke with many people (including others whose cases were mentioned or discussed) about the question of withdrawing the book. Not one of them wanted the book withdrawn. There were discussions about possible revisions which would, of necessity, have taken a great deal of time and effort - time and effort that I was not capable of devoting to the matter at that time.

If it helps, I can give a synopsis of what the revision to the Simon Hall chapter in No Smoke would have comprised, and why:

“In August 2013, it was reported that Simon Hall had confessed to the murder, in what many considered questionable circumstances, after ten years of maintaining his innocence. Some observers (including Simon's family) expressed concerns about Simon's mental health immediately prior to, and at the time of, the confession (a suicide attempt in the months before, for example.)

The confession and the circumstances in which it was made, have never been made public. There were other suicide attempts, the last being in February 2014, when he was found dead in his cell. The confession, whether reliable or not, does not alter the fact that the case on which the conviction was founded was extremely weak, and fell far below the standards most of us would expect when a life sentence is the potential outcome of proceedings.

There can be no doubt that the confession shocked those fighting claimed cases of Miscarriage of Justice, and raised serious questions about whether those fights should continue. However, where the fight is based on the evidence of the case as used at trial and in subsequent appeal proceedings, and that evidence is not robust enough to justify the convictions obtained, then the fight must continue, in the name of true justice.

We will never know if Simon Hall’s confession was genuine, or the confused utterings of a crumbling sanity. The decision about whether to take up, or continue to carry, the baton for claimed Miscarriages of Justice is a matter for the person deciding to do so, and their own conscience.”

You see, to this day, we have only Stephanie’s word about the circumstances leading up to the confession, the circumstances of the confession itself, the state of Simon’s mental and emotional well-being (or otherwise), the content of the confession etc. We have no information about how the confession was given or accepted (it was reported at the inquest that he “told his wife” who then “told him to tell the prison.” I have no idea if that is true or not – it was reported in the media, after all.) I’m not inclined to simply take Stephanie’s word (or anyone else’s for that matter) at face value.
But, of course, that is my opinion, one I’m perfectly entitled to hold.

And so, I would simply revise the book to reflect the known facts, as they currently stand http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382961.html#msg382961
« Last Edit: October 30, 2017, 06:43:28 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2017, 06:54:33 PM »
Dr Sandra Lean 19th October 2017

"It's always difficult, in cases like this, to post meaningful information because of the tendency for it to be misrepresented, misquoted or used against the very case it's trying to assist. So please bear with me and read between the lines where necessary.
  8@??)(
There is "new information" in the literal (legal) sense - information that was not known about (and could not have been known about by the defence) at the time of trial and the appeal.

There is new information that has not been released to anyone other than those most closely involved in the new initiative, and will not be released publicly until it becomes a matter of law.

A group of people with individual, specialist understandings has agreed to carry out a whole case review. That means reviewing the investigation, the evidence, the media involvement, the legal arguments - pretty much every aspect of the case will be scrutinised and held up against accepted norms and values and the findings of those involved will be offered at the end of that review. It is not a new concept - it has been done in a number of other high profile cases (some of them discussed on this forum) and it's had a number of successful outcomes, even though, unfortunately, it has taken a great deal of time to get there.

I think I've answered all of the questions asked in the last few days - if not, please let me know and I'll do my best to answer anything I've missed.

Thanks to everyone still interested almost 14 years and 4 months later.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.4335.html
« Last Edit: October 30, 2017, 10:11:33 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2018, 04:33:26 PM »
25th January 2018

Sandra Lean stated:
"Ah, I see. Sorry! These claims and accusations have been made by a select group for years - it's as if they think the more they say it, the truer it becomes. They don't seem to get that a lie is still a lie, no matter how many times it's told.http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg430763.html#msg430763


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=66.msg489015#msg489015
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2018, 03:33:21 PM »
HIDDEN IN PLAIN VIEW:
The impact of popular beliefs and perceptions, held as factual knowledge about the Criminal Justice System, on incidences of wrongful accusation and conviction.
SANDRA LEAN
A thesis submitted in fulfilment of the requirements of the University of Stirling for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy.
February 2012


Excerpt taken from Page 270
"Internet campaigns
The steady increase in internet campaigns, although creating an outlet for information which is largely ignored or dismissed by the mainstream print and broadcast media, is orchestrated by individuals who have little or no experience of creating and guiding a large media presence, or how to maintain and increase interest once a case has begun to draw attention. An apparently successful campaign for one high profile case in 2009/2010, which drew several hundred supporters, collapsed amidst a very public, bitter and acrimonious dispute between various contributors.(89) There were several consequences, including some contributors and supporters withdrawing from internet advocacy, others withdrawing from some campaigns whilst supporting others, and the creation of a general rift in what had, prior to that, been an encouraging and cohesive group. Anonymous and malicious posting, and posters using multiple online identities, have been an ongoing difficulty for online campaigns (and campaigners), with smear tactics and dishonesty being used to discredit individuals and cases, sometimes spilling over into physical threats and arrests. (90)

https://dspace.stir.ac.uk/bitstream/1893/11691/3/Thesis%2Babsolute%2Bfinal.pdf

(89) This campaign was beset with difficulties introduced by control issues, contributors who were ignorant of the actual legal processes involved, defensiveness, a tendency for contributors to interpret criticisms and suggestions as personal attacks, and the recurring difficulties of malicious and disingenuous contributors posting under numerous false identities.

(90) In the course of this study, four people were arrested for online harassment and intimidation, direct physical threats were made to at least three individuals, including death threats, photographs of individuals‟ homes and family members were posted online, and personal addresses and phone numbers were released. Police in England acted on complaints of online harassment and intimidation, whereas Scottish police refused repeatedly to do so
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 05:43:24 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2018, 03:47:45 PM »
HIDDEN IN PLAIN VIEW:
The impact of popular beliefs and perceptions, held as factual knowledge about the Criminal Justice System, on incidences of wrongful accusation and conviction.
SANDRA LEAN
A thesis submitted in fulfilment of the requirements of the University of Stirling for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy.
February 2012


Exert taken from Page 270
"Internet campaigns
The steady increase in internet campaigns, although creating an outlet for information which is largely ignored or dismissed by the mainstream print and broadcast media, is orchestrated by individuals who have little or no experience of creating and guiding a large media presence, or how to maintain and increase interest once a case has begun to draw attention. An apparently successful campaign for one high profile case in 2009/2010, which drew several hundred supporters, collapsed amidst a very public, bitter and acrimonious dispute between various contributors.(89) There were several consequences, including some contributors and supporters withdrawing from internet advocacy, others withdrawing from some campaigns whilst supporting others, and the creation of a general rift in what had, prior to that, been an encouraging and cohesive group. Anonymous and malicious posting, and posters using multiple online identities, have been an ongoing difficulty for online campaigns (and campaigners), with smear tactics and dishonesty being used to discredit individuals and cases, sometimes spilling over into physical threats and arrests. (90)

https://dspace.stir.ac.uk/bitstream/1893/11691/3/Thesis%2Babsolute%2Bfinal.pdf

(89) This campaign was beset with difficulties introduced by control issues, contributors who were ignorant of the actual legal processes involved, defensiveness, a tendency for contributors to interpret criticisms and suggestions as personal attacks, and the recurring difficulties of malicious and disingenuous contributors posting under numerous false identities.

(90) In the course of this study, four people were arrested for online harassment and intimidation, direct physical threats were made to at least three individuals, including death threats, photographs of individuals‟ homes and family members were posted online, and personal addresses and phone numbers were released. Police in England acted on complaints of online harassment and intimidation, whereas Scottish police refused repeatedly to do so

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=532.msg15743#msg15743
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2018, 03:55:20 PM »
In November 2010 Sandra Lean stated:

"My motivation has been called into question, my honesty and integrity trashed, all because I chose to devote seven years of my life trying to help people. Yes, I know you were at the centre of a hate campaign, but that wasn't my doing and I played no part in it whatsoever - nobody could ever have used a single word I had said about you, because there was nothing to use. http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/re-simon-hall-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/

" what hurts is that you could not step back, knowing me as I thought you did, and ask yourself, is there perhaps another explanation for this. Nope, instant public condemnation, in the belief that you were being attacked, when, in fact, I was trying to defend you.

That your words are being used to paint me as dishonest and unreliable, and that in turn is being used to undermine Luke's case, is probably one of the worst experiences in all of this. I thought you were my friend.

There was absolutely no intention to 'scapegoat' you for anything

My post was an attempt to take the wind out of his sails by saying, Yes, Stephanie did talk to John, but not in the sinister/negative way he is trying to portray it. What John has done is take an innocent mistake by Stephanie and turn it into a weapon for him to use against others

See http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384700.html#msg384700
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 09:06:11 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Sandra Lean has no shame?
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2018, 04:01:26 PM »
Sandra Leans current LinkedIn bio:

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandra-lean-4b499a43
"For almost fifteen years, I have researched and written about cases of wrongful conviction and factual innocence. I have tried to assist a number of people over the years, and campaign, write articles, etc, wherever I am able to help. I obtained a Specialist Paralegal Qualification in Criminal Law in 2010, via Criminal Law Training and Strathclyde University.

I completed a PhD in 2012, the thesis title being "Hidden in Plain View," which studied the factors which lead to wrongful convictions, and why ordinary people are completely unaware of these factors.

I am currently writing two further books, as follow-ups to my first book, "No Smoke, the Shocking Truth about British Justice" which was published by Checkpoint Press, Ireland in 2008.

In my "other life," I am a fully qualified Clinicall Hypnotherapist and Hypno-analyst, with a long term interest in alternative healthcare and Personal Development. I specialise in helping people with issues of low self esteem, confidence, and the effects of bullying.


Below is a copy of Sandra Leans's previous LinkedIn bio taken from http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383389.html#msg383389

"Sandra Lean
author and researcher
2003 – Present (14 years)

"For ten years, I have researched and written about cases of wrongful conviction and factual innocence. I have tried to assist a number of people over the years, and campaign, write articles, etc, wherever I am able to help. I obtained a Specialist Paralegal Qualification in Criminal Law in 2010, via Criminal Law Training and Strathclyde University.

I completed a PhD in 2012, the thesis title being "Hidden in Plain View," which studied the factors which lead to wrongful convictions, and why ordinary people are completely unaware of these factors.

I am currently writing two further books, as follow-ups to my first book, "No Smoke, the Shocking Truth about British Justice" which was published by Checkpoint Press, Ireland in 2008.

In my "other life," I specialise in helping people with issues of low self esteem, confidence, and the effects of bullying.

Beginning with the murder of Jodi Jones in 2003, and the subsequent conviction of her boyfriend Luke Mitchell in 2005, I have studied and written about wrongful convictions of factualy innocent individuals in the UK ever since. I currently support a number of campaigns fighting injustice. https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandra-lean-4b499a43
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 04:12:40 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"