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Offline Brietta

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2015, 01:08:07 AM »

The police in the Algarve for some reason seemed to have had a bit of a mental block regarding proper investigation of cases of missing children and murdered children in their jurisdiction.

It also seems they are not too fussy about who they nail for it as long as their crime sheets are cleared.  Perhaps failure to catch the actual perpetrators may explain why there was a proliferation as the perpetrator/s were free to continue doing whatever it was they were doing while someone else was behind bars serving time for their crime.


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Thirty miles east of Praia da Luz lies the resort of Albufeira, where a collection of clifftop villas known as Val Novio was once a thriving development, favoured by British expats.

Now largely abandoned, it was there, on November 19, 1990, that Rachel Charles, aged nine, went missing.

Neil McKay, a Bafta-winning TV scriptwriter who has specialised in factual dramas about crime, was on holiday nearby with his father at the time.

"We were sitting in a bar having a beer one evening," he recalled.

"This English guy came in, saying a little girl had disappeared two days earlier but the police were refusing to mount a proper search. He said her family wanted every British tourist or expat to meet on the beach at seven next morning to try to find her.
"so we went. There must have been more than 200 of us. Tragically, it didn't take long to find her body, hidden among some pines."

Len Port, now an Algarve publisher who covered the case for The Portugal News, said: "The police search was highly inefficient, as, frankly, was everything else about the case. The way the police handled it was desperately amateurish - and ultimately, a travesty of justice."

Just as they would later do with the McCanns, the PJ soon hit on a suspect who knew the victim and her family.
But according to Port, who attended his trial, it had "no real evidence. It was an unjust trial".


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz3QpND0vPf
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2015, 01:38:42 AM »
The police in the Algarve for some reason seemed to have had a bit of a mental block regarding proper investigation of cases of missing children and murdered children in their jurisdiction.

It also seems they are not too fussy about who they nail for it as long as their crime sheets are cleared.  Perhaps failure to catch the actual perpetrators may explain why there was a proliferation as the perpetrator/s were free to continue doing whatever it was they were doing while someone else was behind bars serving time for their crime.


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Len Port, now an Algarve publisher who covered the case for The Portugal News, said: "The police search was highly inefficient, as, frankly, was everything else about the case. The way the police handled it was desperately amateurish - and ultimately, a travesty of justice."

Just as they would later do with the McCanns, the PJ soon hit on a suspect who knew the victim and her family.
But according to Port, who attended his trial, it had "no real evidence. It was an unjust trial".


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz3QpND0vPf

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html

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Just as they would later do with the McCanns, the PJ soon hit on a suspect who knew the victim and her family. But according to Port, who attended his trial, it had "no real evidence. It was an unjust trial".


The defendant was Michael Cook, a British expat businessman who had taken part in the search, and in 1992 he was convicted and sentenced to 19 years. Having protested his innocence, he was released in 2002. Last week, he told of his ordeal for the first time.


"This has ruined my life," he said. "I still carry the scars from the six times I was stabbed in prison; as for the times I had the s*** kicked out of me, I long ago lost count."


Following Cook's conviction, his then-Labour MP, Bob Spink, became involved in his campaign. In a Commons debate in 1992, he said: "The only hard evidence linking Cook to the murder was bogus" - a claim by an elderly gardener that he had seen Cook bundling Rachel into his car.


However, Spink said, the police had hidden the fact that tyre tracks left by Rachel's abductor "were of an entirely different type" from those that would have been made by Cook's vehicle.


The PJ, Spink told the Commons, claimed Cook confessed - something he has always denied - and that they had tortured him: "Cook appeared in court, with black eyes and a missing tooth, and he was deeply bruised.


"It is claimed that Cook was hung from an upstairs window by his feet, that his feet were beaten until he could not stand, that he was tied to a chair and beaten, that he was deprived of sleep and that a revolver was forced into his mouth and the trigger pulled in a mock execution."


The PJ also claimed Cook had a record as a paedophile, Spink went on. This, too, was "entirely bogus'. The trial judge had asked a PJ witness how he knew this: "The officer replied that someone, unnamed, had told him. The judge accepted that so-called 'evidence' as clear and unequivocal."


It emerged at the trial that while there was no forensic link between Rachel or her clothes and Cook's car, blood had been found under her fingernails - presumably that of her attacker. But when Cook's lawyers tried to obtain it to test it for DNA, they were told the samples had been "lost".


Cook told The Mail on Sunday: "I was with the PJ four days and they gave me no food nor let me go to the lavatory - I literally s*** myself and p****d myself. I was in that state when they first brought me to court.


"What I learnt about Portugal is that once convicted, you never get the chance to get it reversed, because they destroyed the evidence."


Spink, who is still MP for Castle Point, Essex, said yesterday that as the Madeleine case had unfolded, he had become increasingly concerned by the "disturbing parallels' between the way the PJ had dealt with Maddie and the murder of Rachel Charles.


"In both cases, there was incompetence at the outset. And then, having become convinced they had the right suspects, the police seem to have ignored other avenues of investigation - especially the possibility that both were abducted by a stranger."



Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2015, 08:35:46 AM »
The police in the Algarve for some reason seemed to have had a bit of a mental block regarding proper investigation of cases of missing children and murdered children in their jurisdiction.

It also seems they are not too fussy about who they nail for it as long as their crime sheets are cleared.  Perhaps failure to catch the actual perpetrators may explain why there was a proliferation as the perpetrator/s were free to continue doing whatever it was they were doing while someone else was behind bars serving time for their crime.


**snip
Thirty miles east of Praia da Luz lies the resort of Albufeira, where a collection of clifftop villas known as Val Novio was once a thriving development, favoured by British expats.

Now largely abandoned, it was there, on November 19, 1990, that Rachel Charles, aged nine, went missing.

Neil McKay, a Bafta-winning TV scriptwriter who has specialised in factual dramas about crime, was on holiday nearby with his father at the time.

"We were sitting in a bar having a beer one evening," he recalled.

"This English guy came in, saying a little girl had disappeared two days earlier but the police were refusing to mount a proper search. He said her family wanted every British tourist or expat to meet on the beach at seven next morning to try to find her.
"so we went. There must have been more than 200 of us. Tragically, it didn't take long to find her body, hidden among some pines."

Len Port, now an Algarve publisher who covered the case for The Portugal News, said: "The police search was highly inefficient, as, frankly, was everything else about the case. The way the police handled it was desperately amateurish - and ultimately, a travesty of justice."

Just as they would later do with the McCanns, the PJ soon hit on a suspect who knew the victim and her family.
But according to Port, who attended his trial, it had "no real evidence. It was an unjust trial".


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz3QpND0vPf

25 years ago!

Get over it!
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2015, 08:40:30 AM »
The Exchange Rate has been affecting tourism throughout Europe for at least six years, if not longer.  The bookings on the Holiday House that I manage here in France have fallen by a third.  But no one seems much interested in that, preferring to blame The McCanns for something that is happening everywhere.
But things affected by The Euro and The Pound are on the up, so it will be interesting to see what happens this year.

Offline sadie

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2015, 10:36:59 AM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html

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Just as they would later do with the McCanns, the PJ soon hit on a suspect who knew the victim and her family. But according to Port, who attended his trial, it had "no real evidence. It was an unjust trial".


The defendant was Michael Cook, a British expat businessman who had taken part in the search, and in 1992 he was convicted and sentenced to 19 years. Having protested his innocence, he was released in 2002. Last week, he told of his ordeal for the first time.


"This has ruined my life," he said. "I still carry the scars from the six times I was stabbed in prison; as for the times I had the s*** kicked out of me, I long ago lost count."


Following Cook's conviction, his then-Labour MP, Bob Spink, became involved in his campaign. In a Commons debate in 1992, he said: "The only hard evidence linking Cook to the murder was bogus" - a claim by an elderly gardener that he had seen Cook bundling Rachel into his car.


However, Spink said, the police had hidden the fact that tyre tracks left by Rachel's abductor "were of an entirely different type" from those that would have been made by Cook's vehicle.


The PJ, Spink told the Commons, claimed Cook confessed - something he has always denied - and that they had tortured him: "Cook appeared in court, with black eyes and a missing tooth, and he was deeply bruised.


"It is claimed that Cook was hung from an upstairs window by his feet, that his feet were beaten until he could not stand, that he was tied to a chair and beaten, that he was deprived of sleep and that a revolver was forced into his mouth and the trigger pulled in a mock execution."


The PJ also claimed Cook had a record as a paedophile, Spink went on. This, too, was "entirely bogus'. The trial judge had asked a PJ witness how he knew this: "The officer replied that someone, unnamed, had told him. The judge accepted that so-called 'evidence' as clear and unequivocal."


It emerged at the trial that while there was no forensic link between Rachel or her clothes and Cook's car, blood had been found under her fingernails - presumably that of her attacker. But when Cook's lawyers tried to obtain it to test it for DNA, they were told the samples had been "lost".


Cook told The Mail on Sunday: "I was with the PJ four days and they gave me no food nor let me go to the lavatory - I literally s*** myself and p****d myself. I was in that state when they first brought me to court.


"What I learnt about Portugal is that once convicted, you never get the chance to get it reversed, because they destroyed the evidence."


Spink, who is still MP for Castle Point, Essex, said yesterday that as the Madeleine case had unfolded, he had become increasingly concerned by the "disturbing parallels' between the way the PJ had dealt with Maddie and the murder of Rachel Charles.


"In both cases, there was incompetence at the outset. And then, having become convinced they had the right suspects, the police seem to have ignored other avenues of investigation - especially the possibility that both were abducted by a stranger."

That was in 1990,  16 1/2 years before Madeleine.

1990 Rachel Charles, as out lined by Brietta, aged 9
!996 Rene Hassee on the western atlantic Algarve, about 18 miles away from Pdl, a little blond and very cute 6 year old boy...
2004 Joana Cipriano, aged 7/8 ... Just about 7 miles away from PdL at Figueira
2006  Carolina Santos, aged 3 .... from nearby Silves about 18 miles away from PdL
2007  Madeleine Mccann, aged 3  .. from PdL


25 years ago!

Get over it!
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Get over it !!! 

5 children in 16+ years in a moderately lightly populated area


Do you not care about children Wspam?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2015, 11:04:37 AM »
25 years ago!

Get over it!

I'm afraid it shows the poverty of Brietta's argument when she is unable to find a more recent case to illustrate it.

 I wonder how many miscarriages of justice have been perpetrated by individual police forces in this country in the same timescale ?
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Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2015, 11:37:14 AM »

That was in 1990,  16 1/2 years before Madeleine.

1990 Rachel Charles, as out lined by Brietta, aged 9
!996 Rene Hassee on the western atlantic Algarve, about 18 miles away from Pdl, a little blond and very cute 6 year old boy...
2004 Joana Cipriano, aged 7/8 ... Just about 7 miles away from PdL at Figueira
2006  Carolina Santos, aged 3 .... from nearby Silves about 18 miles away from PdL
2007  Madeleine Mccann, aged 3  .. from PdL


Get over it !!! 

5 children in 16+ years in a moderately lightly populated area


Do you not care about children Wspam?


Joana Cipriano is dead.

She was murdered by her mother and uncle.

Get over it.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2015, 12:07:00 PM »

This is not a thread about Michael Cook or Joana Cipriano.

It's about tourism on The Algarve.  Please stick to The Topic.

Offline sadie

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2015, 09:44:19 PM »
I'm afraid it shows the poverty of Brietta's argument when she is unable to find a more recent case to illustrate it.


That was in 1990,  16 1/2 years before Madeleine.

1990 Rachel Charles, as out lined by Brietta, aged 9
!996 Rene Hassee on the western atlantic Algarve, about 18 miles away from Pdl, a little blond and very cute 6 year old boy...
2004 Joana Cipriano, aged 7/8 ... Just about 7 miles away from PdL at Figueira
2006  Carolina Santos, aged 3 .... from nearby Silves about 18 miles away from PdL
2007  Madeleine Mccann, aged 3  .. from PdL


Get over it !!! 

5 children in 16+ years in a moderately lightly populated area




5 Children in 16+ years.  That equates to one every 3+ years.   No wonder that no-one wnated to come after they learned about that.

But now eight years have passed and no abductions since 2007.  No wonder they are coming back.  They are feeling that it is safer now

Also it is dirt cheap in comparison to many other sunny places, and a lovely place to holiday.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2015, 11:52:09 PM »
5 Children in 16+ years.  That equates to one every 3+ years.   No wonder that no-one wnated to come after they learned about that.

But now eight years have passed and no abductions since 2007.  No wonder they are coming back.  They are feeling that it is safer now

Also it is dirt cheap in comparison to many other sunny places, and a lovely place to holiday.

Considering no one was banged up for the 5,6,7, 12 or whatever alleged sexual offences and the operation of a sophisticated paedophile ring in the area (allegedly) about which I have read no success stories of how this ring was busted, I wonder what we should conclude?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #70 on: February 05, 2015, 11:59:10 PM »
Considering no one was banged up for the 5,6,7, 12 or whatever alleged sexual offences and the operation of a sophisticated paedophile ring in the area (allegedly) about which I have read no success stories of how this ring was busted, I wonder what we should conclude?

The point may well be that no-one was 'banged up' for sexual offences against children leaving them free to continue with nefarious practices unimpeded.

I hope the reported recovery in Portugal is one that is sustained ... but as far as the family holiday business is concerned hiding such offences as opposed to throwing everything at finding whoever was responsible ... wouldn't sit too well with me if I were considering a holiday venue with young children in tow.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #71 on: February 06, 2015, 09:40:15 AM »
The point may well be that no-one was 'banged up' for sexual offences against children leaving them free to continue with nefarious practices unimpeded.

I hope the reported recovery in Portugal is one that is sustained ... but as far as the family holiday business is concerned hiding such offences as opposed to throwing everything at finding whoever was responsible ... wouldn't sit too well with me if I were considering a holiday venue with young children in tow.

I think that was my point! that being the case the statement that visitors are returning because the place is now safer is somewhat wishful. They are returning for other reasons. Or maybe Brits are staying away yet and the void has been more than adequately filled by Dutch, French and German visitors who have not been subjected to xenophobic propaganda?
It's a thought.

"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Brietta

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #72 on: February 06, 2015, 11:48:05 AM »
I think that was my point! that being the case the statement that visitors are returning because the place is now safer is somewhat wishful. They are returning for other reasons. Or maybe Brits are staying away yet and the void has been more than adequately filled by Dutch, French and German visitors who have not been subjected to xenophobic propaganda?
It's a thought.

Is there a record of Dutch, French and German little girls being assaulted in their beds while their parents slept?

There certainly are too many examples of it happening to British children so where exactly does your use of the phrase "xenophobic propaganda" comment fit in?

Are you suggesting holiday makers' children of all nationalities were being assaulted but only the British were being racist in their criticism?

If it is a thought ... it is a particularly stupid and mean spirited one considering the nature of the offences.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #73 on: February 06, 2015, 12:32:56 PM »
Is there a record of Dutch, French and German little girls being assaulted in their beds while their parents slept?

There certainly are too many examples of it happening to British children so where exactly does your use of the phrase "xenophobic propaganda" comment fit in?

Are you suggesting holiday makers' children of all nationalities were being assaulted but only the British were being racist in their criticism?

If it is a thought ... it is a particularly stupid and mean spirited one considering the nature of the offences.

Summers and Swan in the Telegraph: If only the McCanns had known about the Algarve.

Offline Carana

Re: Despite the Maddie headlines, Algarve records 'best ever' year!
« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2015, 12:37:10 PM »
Is there a record of Dutch, French and German little girls being assaulted in their beds while their parents slept?

There certainly are too many examples of it happening to British children so where exactly does your use of the phrase "xenophobic propaganda" comment fit in?

Are you suggesting holiday makers' children of all nationalities were being assaulted but only the British were being racist in their criticism?

If it is a thought ... it is a particularly stupid and mean spirited one considering the nature of the offences.

IFFFFFF there is a connection, whoever it was may have had a preference for British children. However, this may not be the case at all as each country will decide on what information can be divulged.

There is no way of knowing, for the moment, whether families of other nationalities had also been targets and have reported incidents which the UK aren't authorised to divulge.