It wasn't the first time a burglar got in via a window at the resort!

[Anna]

So on that note, you would have to say there is as much evidence of accidental death in the apartment, or outside, wouldn't you ?

As we all know, that is Correct, Stephen. Since there is no evidence of foul play, with which to base any particular suspicion or possibility upon, that we are aware of, as yet.

The cause of Madeleine’s disappearance, could be accidental or intentional, inside or outside of 5A.


However the topic of discussion, on this thread is the possibility of,  Burglar/window entry etc. (As heading)
 
Please, try and keep within the discussion of the topic....This is intended for all posters

[Anna]

Any more, OFF TOPIC posts, will be deleted on sight...Please take heed.

[Brietta]

So on that note, you would have to say there is as much evidence of accidental death in the apartment, or outside, wouldn't you ?

I would have to say there is absolutely no evidence that Madeleine died either accidentally or was murdered either inside the apartment or outside ... I take it you mean at the foot of the stairs or the garden.
No evidence whatsoever.

However, given the history of burglaries within the resort, two that we know of in block 5 in the weeks preceding the McCann holiday in combination with assaults on children in the area I would have to say that the balance of probability is heavily weighted towards Madeleine being abducted by an intruder.

Whether that was a planned abduction or an opportunist abduction I have no idea, but the fact that Madeleine vanished that night and has not been seen since suggests she was removed with great speed very likely across the Spanish border where no-one was checking traffic for a missing child.

[stephen25000]

I would have to say there is absolutely no evidence that Madeleine died either accidentally or was murdered either inside the apartment or outside ... I take it you mean at the foot of the stairs or the garden.
No evidence whatsoever.

However, given the history of burglaries within the resort, two that we know of in block 5 in the weeks preceding the McCann holiday in combination with assaults on children in the area I would have to say that the balance of probability is heavily weighted towards Madeleine being abducted by an intruder.

Whether that was a planned abduction or an opportunist abduction I have no idea, but the fact that Madeleine vanished that night and has not been seen since suggests she was removed with great speed very likely across the Spanish border where no-one was checking traffic for a missing child.

That my dear is a matter of opinion.

Now if Madeleine's body is ever found, that by the way is not being callous. I simply don't believe she is alive, and there has not been any trace of her despite the worldwide publicity over the years,and with a forensic analysis, the dogs indications can become pertinent.

Now as to abduction, well, not a smidgen of evidence, and supposition doesn't count.

[Eleanor]

That my dear is a matter of opinion.

Now if Madeleine's body is ever found, that by the way is not being callous. I simply don't believe she is alive, and there has not been any trace of her despite the worldwide publicity over the years,and with a forensic analysis, the dogs indications can become pertinent.

Now as to abduction, well, not a smidgen of evidence, and supposition doesn't count.

Not even your supposition.

[Brietta]

That my dear is a matter of opinion.

Now if Madeleine's body is ever found, that by the way is not being callous. I simply don't believe she is alive, and there has not been any trace of her despite the worldwide publicity over the years,and with a forensic analysis, the dogs indications can become pertinent.

Now as to abduction, well, not a smidgen of evidence, and supposition doesn't count.

Should Madeleine's remains be discovered in PDL it would be proof positive of the total ineffectiveness of the dogs and would indicate that the perpetrator was indeed local with local knowledge such as that possessed by the present arguidos.

[pathfinder73]

Should Madeleine's remains be discovered in PDL it would be proof positive of the total ineffectiveness of the dogs and would indicate that the perpetrator was indeed local with local knowledge such as that possessed by the present arguidos.

The McCanns were living in PDL for 3 months before the dogs arrived and we know who they alerted to.

[sadie]

The McCanns were living in PDL for 3 months before the dogs arrived and we know who they alerted to.

No we dont.  That is where YOU are mistaken.


Just knee jerk anti-Mccann responses from your side


No forensic evidence / proofs of anything ... and you know it.

[colombosstogey]

Burglary's happen all over the place but its a huge leap from filching cameras to taking toddlers surely. You would have to have a large set of round things to get away with that.

Also the window. Even if you got it open how did you get into it? You would have to use your feet to hoist yourself upwards etc, and it would be awkward and you would leave traces of DNA all over the place. Then you wouldnt be aware there was a bed right under the window.

With all the noise ALL the kids would have woken up, and if i know kids seeing a big dark shape trying to come at you, you would have cried....surely any burglar with half a brain would have then got out of there pretty quick by just jumping back down, they would never have had time to close the shutter back down and the close the window, you would run in a blind panic.

That leaves you with loads of forensics.......................... &%+((£

[Mr Gray]

Burglary's happen all over the place but its a huge leap from filching cameras to taking toddlers surely. You would have to have a large set of round things to get away with that.

Also the window. Even if you got it open how did you get into it? You would have to use your feet to hoist yourself upwards etc, and it would be awkward and you would leave traces of DNA all over the place. Then you wouldnt be aware there was a bed right under the window.

With all the noise ALL the kids would have woken up, and if i know kids seeing a big dark shape trying to come at you, you would have cried....surely any burglar with half a brain would have then got out of there pretty quick by just jumping back down, they would never have had time to close the shutter back down and the close the window, you would run in a blind panic.

That leaves you with loads of forensics.......................... &%+((£

from what I have read a proper dna the crime scene was never carried out....that blows rather a large hole in all your reasoning

[Wonderfulspam]

from what I have read a proper dna the crime scene was never carried out....that blows rather a large hole in all your reasoning

From what I have read, there is only Kate & Gerry's word that the window & shutters were discovered open.

And Kate wasn't lying, she assures us of that (gulp).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1371

So, closed they were then.

[Mr Gray]

From what I have read, there is only Kate & Gerry's word that the window & shutters were discovered open.

And Kate wasn't lying, she assures us of that (gulp).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1371

So, closed they were then.

wrong again...only the first person in the room..kate .,...would have discovered them open...it's probably too subtle a point for you to understand

[stephen25000]

wrong again...only the first person in the room..kate .,...would have discovered them open...it's probably too subtle a point for you to understand

There is no proof the windows were open.

[Benice]

There is no proof the windows were open.

There are at least 3 eyewitnesses who saw the open window.

Kate McCann
Gerry McCann
Amy Tierney.

[slartibartfast]

There are at least 3 eyewitnesses who saw the open window.

Kate McCann
Gerry McCann
Amy Tierney.

Only one was there first.