It wasn't the first time a burglar got in via a window at the resort!

[Benice]

Only one was there first.

What difference does that make?    Three eyewitnesses described the scene as they found it i.e. the window was open.   Why should the evidence of any of them be dismissed?

[pathfinder73]

What difference does that make?    Three eyewitnesses described the scene as they found it i.e. the window was open.   Why should the evidence of any of them be dismissed?

Because the window wasn't used and it was left in such a state where everybody would be able to see it. The unlocked door and gates looked like they hadn't been touched so the total opposite - neat and tidy abductor on that side of the apartment and look at the bed lol. So how did he enter - a key? If the abductor had a key why open the window? There's no point unless you want to get caught!

[Heriberto Janosch]

I don't think it has been established whether burglaries in the vicinity were the result of entry via windows or not.

The GNR would have had the reports and those aren't in the PJ files.

ETA: And whether GNR reports would have been anything more than a statement for insurance purposes isn't clear, either.

Hi Carana!

This is from Scotland Yard: "There was a fourfold increase in burglaries in the resort peaking in April 2007. Two of the burglaries in April were in Block 5 where Madeleine disappeared from. In both these burglaries entry was via a window."

http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Madeleine-McCann-Appeal--October-2013/1400020463601/1400020541583

[Eleanor]

Thanks, Heri.

[pathfinder73]

Hi Carana!

This is from Scotland Yard: "There was a fourfold increase in burglaries in the resort peaking in April 2007. Two of the burglaries in April were in Block 5 where Madeleine disappeared from. In both these burglaries entry was via a window."

http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Madeleine-McCann-Appeal--October-2013/1400020463601/1400020541583

No evidence was found of anybody passing though the window. It is a narrow window opening. No glove marks or boot marks on bed/chair. Ziltch! Have you tried getting in through that window without leaving a trace of evidence instead of picking up a no weight pillow as Maddy? Maddy was seen in a deep sleep - did she levitate to the window in her sleep to be able get snatched by you in your reconstruction? How did she get to the window in a deep sleep? Then I will carry her through the streets. She was carried for one reason through the streets without a car. To get rid of the evidence because a post mortem would show who was responsible (SY are looking for a body!). Smithman had no choice!

[faithlilly]

Hi Carana!

This is from Scotland Yard: "There was a fourfold increase in burglaries in the resort peaking in April 2007. Two of the burglaries in April were in Block 5 where Madeleine disappeared from. In both these burglaries entry was via a window."

http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Madeleine-McCann-Appeal--October-2013/1400020463601/1400020541583

Were the burglaries during the day when it would be less likely the residents would be at home ? Were the shutters on the window down ? Was the window open already or closed and locked ?

[Benice]

Because the window wasn't used and it was left in such a state where everybody would be able to see it. The unlocked door and gates looked like they hadn't been touched so the total opposite - neat and tidy abductor - look at the bed lol. So how did he enter - a key? If the abductor had a key why open the window? There's no point unless you want to get caught!

If the open shutters and window were pre planned by the McCanns to be the indisputable proof to the police that an intruder had entered 5A, then Gerry would have guarded that open window with his life to make sure the police found it how he and Kate had planned - and not let anyone near it or the shutters.

It is not impossible that an intruder had a key and  various quite valid reasons imo - for why he would want to open the window have been listed numerous times.  Just because some people choose to ignore them does not make them invalid.

If an intruder did enter via the patio door then surely he would not be leaving the gates open behind him as that would be a strong clue to the McCanns, who knew that they always closed them when they left, that something could be amiss in the apartment on their next check.   A lone intruder would not know for definite the exact time of the next check and could still be in the apartment.   Why would he risk pre-warning anyone when it only took seconds to close the gates.

[pathfinder73]

If the open shutters and window were pre planned by the McCanns to be the indisputable proof to the police that an intruder had entered 5A, then Gerry would have guarded that open window with his life to make sure the police found it how he and Kate had planned - and not let anyone near it or the shutters.

It is not impossible that an intruder had a key and  various quite valid reasons imo - for why he would want to open the window have been listed numerous times.  Just because some people choose to ignore them does not make them invalid.

If an intruder did enter via the patio door then surely he would not be leaving the gates open behind him as that would be a strong clue to the McCanns, who knew that they always closed them when they left, that something could be amiss in the apartment on their next check.   A lone intruder would not know for definite the exact time of the next check and could still be in the apartment.   Why would he risk pre-warning anyone when it only took seconds to close the gates.

Keep living in your fantasy world. I know how it happened and I can't believe SY haven't worked it out yet.

[jassi]

Keep living in your fantasy world. I know how it happened and I can't believe SY haven't worked it out yet.

Maybe they have, though proving it would be something else altogether.

[faithlilly]

If the open shutters and window were pre planned by the McCanns to be the indisputable proof to the police that an intruder had entered 5A, then Gerry would have guarded that open window with his life to make sure the police found it how he and Kate had planned - and not let anyone near it or the shutters.

It is not impossible that an intruder had a key and  various quite valid reasons imo - for why he would want to open the window have been listed numerous times.  Just because some people choose to ignore them does not make them invalid.

If an intruder did enter via the patio door then surely he would not be leaving the gates open behind him as that would be a strong clue to the McCanns, who knew that they always closed them when they left, that something could be amiss in the apartment on their next check.   A lone intruder would not know for definite the exact time of the next check and could still be in the apartment.   Why would he risk pre-warning anyone when it only took seconds to close the gates.

Wouldn't the fact that Madeleine was missing be a bigger clue ?

[Heriberto Janosch]

Hi Carana!

This is from Scotland Yard: "There was a fourfold increase in burglaries in the resort peaking in April 2007. Two of the burglaries in April were in Block 5 where Madeleine disappeared from. In both these burglaries entry was via a window."

http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Madeleine-McCann-Appeal--October-2013/1400020463601/1400020541583

You are welcome, Eleanor.

[jassi]

I wonder if Sy have got anywhere with Burglar Bill and his associates, or whether it is going to be another dead-end?

[Brietta]

No evidence was found of anybody passing though the window. It is a narrow window opening. No glove marks or boot marks on bed/chair. Ziltch! Have you tried getting in through that window without leaving a trace of evidence instead of picking up a no weight pillow as Maddy? Maddy was seen in a deep sleep - did she levitate to the window in her sleep to be able get snatched by you in your reconstruction? How did she get to the window in a deep sleep? Then I will carry her through the streets. She was carried for one reason through the streets without a car. To get rid of the evidence because a post mortem would show who was responsible (SY are looking for a body!). Smithman had no choice!

Don't be so ridiculous ... burglars are perfectly capable of entering and leaving premises via a much smaller aperture than that window; one of the reasons why teams usually consist of at least one very small, agile person ... sometimes even a child.

In any case no-one is asserting anything about the window ... for the simple reason no-one knows anything apart from the fact Madeleine's mother found it open and her daughter missing.

There didn't appear to be much of a problem lifting a plasma television from one of the apartments and taking it away without anyone seeing a thing ... suggests to me that the burglars operating in that area were astute enough to
(a)  enter and leave premises without being seen ... Mrs Fenn being an exception 
(b)  were no strangers to the complex being familiar with the layout and the comings and goings of tourists 
(c)  were either one step ahead of the police ... or ... 
(d)  the police weren't too bothered about holiday cash, personal items or plasma TVs

Almost everything you assert is speculation with no foundation in either fact or probability ... only enormous prejudice.

[pathfinder73]

Maybe they have, though proving it would be something else altogether.

Agreed. I wouldn't have them as suspects either until it could be proved.

[faithlilly]

Don't be so ridiculous ... burglars are perfectly capable of entering and leaving premises via a much smaller aperture than that window; one of the reasons why teams usually consist of at least one very small, agile person ... sometimes even a child.

In any case no-one is asserting anything about the window ... for the simple reason no-one knows anything apart from the fact Madeleine's mother found it open and her daughter missing.

There didn't appear to be much of a problem lifting a plasma television from one of the apartments and taking it away without anyone seeing a thing ... suggests to me that the burglars operating in that area were astute enough to
(a)  enter and leave premises without being seen ... Mrs Fenn being an exception 
(b)  were no strangers to the complex being familiar with the layout and the comings and goings of tourists 
(c)  were either one step ahead of the police ... or ... 
(d)  the police weren't too bothered about holiday cash, personal items or plasma TVs

Almost everything you assert is speculation with no foundation in either fact or probability ... only enormous prejudice.

*Irony Klaxon*