It wasn't the first time a burglar got in via a window at the resort!

[Alice Purjorick]

No glove marks or smudges and no other fingerprints? How did the cleaner close the window, after cleaning them?

The window was a slider so at some stage would need to be shut to clean the fixed and sliding portion.
Easier to do the inside from the inside and the outside from the outside. No need to touch either after cleaning then.

[DCI]

The window was a slider so at some stage would need to be shut to clean the fixed and sliding portion.
Easier to do the inside from the inside and the outside from the outside. No need to touch either after cleaning then.

What about the shutters?

[Alice Purjorick]

What about the shutters?

Anna didn't mention shutters in her post.
So what about the shutters apart from their needing to be up to clean the windows outside.
I guess the cleaner raised and lowered them in the conventional manner using the CDA inside.

[colombosstogey]

from what I have read a proper dna the crime scene was never carried out....that blows rather a large hole in all your reasoning

Well it doesnt wasnt there a full programme on this, and forensics saying there was NOTHING found over the window sill, no lichen moved, no feet marks........

The window was never used to carry out a child, besides which there was a bed right under it. Someone simply went out of the front door............and came in that way.....with a key.

[Eleanor]

Well it doesnt wasnt there a full programme on this, and forensics saying there was NOTHING found over the window sill, no lichen moved, no feet marks........

The window was never used to carry out a child, besides which there was a bed right under it. Someone simply went out of the front door............and came in that way.....with a key.

There was No Lichen on the window sill.

[slartibartfast]

There was No Lichen on the window sill.

Do you have a cite for that?

[Eleanor]

Do you have a cite for that?

Just look at some of the photos of the window sill the next morning when the finger print lady is dusting for prints.

[Benice]

So are you saying that anyone arriving at the flat the next morning and finding an open window would be evidence?

But that is not what happened.   Witnesses arrived and surveyed the scene even before the police arrived.   They gave their evidence to the police as witnesses  in the normal way.   I have no idea why anyone would think their statements should be discounted. 

[Benice]

There was No Lichen on the window sill.

Good grief  - I can't believe that ancient myth is still circulating.

[pathfinder73]

Matt said he left the restaurant at 8:55 to get the Payne's and he met them by the McCanns apartment. He carried on and did a quick window listening check then returned to the table at 9pm. He said as soon as he got back Gerry left so I don't know how it took Gerry so long to get to the apartment by his own time keeping. Jane left at 9:10 and claims to have seen Gerry and Jez - doesn't remember hearing Gerry's unmissable non-stop loud voice but saw them so she never passed close by. Jez said they only talked for 3 minutes. So I already have, Where was Gerry 10-10pm?  And now a new one, what was he doing from 9-9:10pm? Everyone else were conveniently sat at the table at this time.

[Benice]

Matt said he left the restaurant at 8:55 to get the Payne's and he met them by the McCanns apartment. He carried on and did a quick window listening check then returned to the table at 9pm. He said as soon as he got back Gerry left so I don't know how it took Gerry so long to get to the apartment by his own time keeping. Jane left at 9:10 and claims to have seen Gerry and Jez - doesn't remember hearing Gerry's unmissable non-stop loud voice but saw them so she never passed close by. Jez said they only talked for 3 minutes. So I already have, Where was Gerry 10-10pm?  And now a new one, what was he doing from 9-9:10pm? Everyone else were conveniently sat at the table at this time.

Once again you are claiming that witnesses gave precise times of their movements.  This is not true.

JT didn't know whether it was 5 or 10 mins or sometime inbetween after Gerry left  that she left.

IIRC Jez gave the time spent talking to Gerry as 3 to 5 mins.

IMO trying to pin people's movements down to the last second is a waste of time and energy as they didn't know themselves  - and so it can only ever be speculation - which proves nothing.

[pathfinder73]

Once again you are claiming that witnesses gave precise times of their movements.  This is not true.

JT didn't know whether it was 5 or 10 mins or sometime inbetween after Gerry left  that she left.

IIRC Jez gave the time spent talking to Gerry as 3 to 5 mins.

IMO trying to pin people's movements down to the last second is a waste of time and energy as they didn't know themselves  - and so it can only ever be speculation - which proves nothing.

Gerry said he looked at his watch - 9:04. That strange watch of his that said Kate left the table at 10:03. Doh!

[Wonderfulspam]

Honest Mr Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts.

The Guardian 06 April 2008
 
'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.
 
Yorkshire Post 29 May 2008 

"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell.

"Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't...
 

[Brietta]

...then changed their mind & said they went through the sliding door, without a key, and that the key had infact been left on the kitchen counter.


May 4th

In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine.

May 10th

He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge, he noted that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought strange.

............

Gonçalo Amaral:

Gerald McCann himself goes as far as to say that when he came to see his daughter at about 9pm, that he does not enter through here [sliding doors]; even though he was in a hurry to reach the bathroom. Yet he chooses to walk the longest path [round gesture with extended arm], to open the door [main entrance] with the key.

There is a report from Control Risks, the first private detective agency which was brought to the case [by the McCanns] in the very first days, where they state, after speaking with Gerald McCann and other witnesses in that group [Tapas 9], that the key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, in the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started.

............


Lee Rainbow.

'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statements might lead us to suspect a homicide.'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-should-be-treated-as-suspects-brit-200689

Why do you insist on taking parts of cites to turn them into misquotes and therefore lies.

Lee Rainbow did not make the comment you have attributed to him ... Mr Amaral's lawyer ... Antonio Cabrita did.

Just another example of the 'spin' which became a myth and which continues to be disgracefully perpetuated to the present day.


**snip

His lawyer Antonio Cabrita, reading from a Portuguese translation of the previously- confidential report, said: 'The family is a lead that should be followed.

Gonzolo Amaral
The McCanns want Gonzolo Amaral (pictured yesterday) to be legally barred from accusing them of being involved in Madeleine's disappearance
'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated.'

The lawyer added: 'Portuguese police had only considered the abduction theory. It was British police who said they must consider homicide as well.'

Mr Cabrita did not outline what ' contradictions' had been found in Mr McCann's statements and refused to give any further details after the Lisbon hearing.



Mr Rainbow, 37, leads a team of five criminal profilers at the NPIA, and specialises in sex crimes and murders.

The Home Office agency, which describes itself as 'part of the police service', aims to improve police use of information, evidence and science and to support operations.

It is understood to have provided Portuguese police with a 'checklist' of how to proceed.

A spokesman said last night: 'In disappearance cases it is common for the NPIA to advise officers to consider the possibility of the involvement of family and close friends.
'This is good practice for investigating cases. The NPIA gave similar generic advice to Portuguese police.'

Mr Rainbow, who has worked on major investigations including the Ipswich prostitute murders and the disappearance of Shannon Matthews, did not say there was any evidence the McCanns were involved.

But his confidential report appears to have been a turning point in the Portuguese investigation.
Madeleine's distraught parents were named as official suspects a few weeks later, despite Portuguese police failing to find any evidence against them.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html#ixzz3RcMQiXiu


However ... if we continue to Mr Amaral's book ... (chapter 13) we find ...

FOR THE PROFILERS, MURAT IS THE GUILTY PARTY

All the same, according to the English profilers, there is a 90% chance that he is the guilty party.


Lee Rainbow DID NOT say what you have posted him as saying, I suggest you alter that and attribute it to the person who ACTUALLY said it ... Antonio Cabrita .

[Benice]

Gerry said he looked at his watch - 9:04. That strange watch of his that said Kate left the table at 10:03. Doh!

Apart from Gerry - no-one could give accurate times - or even claimed to.  In fact IIRC when they did give times, they often preceded them with 'around' or 'about'.     To claim that they gave specific times (and actually quote them as if they were facts) in order to make them fit into a certain theory is wrong IMO.