It wasn't the first time a burglar got in via a window at the resort!

[stephen25000]

...and the fantasy of the mystical burglar for which there exists no proof in this case continues.

[Eleanor]

You are welcome, Benice.

You always were the only one who put any real and educated effort into this, Heri.  The rest of us just mess about and speculate.

[pathfinder73]

I can't see that pic/thread posted but you would be able to see the window. Nothing is blocking your view of the window and that abductor forgot his car. But wait there wasn't an abductor that's why he had to use his feet to get rid of the evidence. Good job Smithman but people know who you are 



You can't see the door so you don't open the window if you had a key. No key was used!

[Heriberto Janosch]

http://www.stopthemyths.info/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=5019&start=0

Thank you, Eleanor. But that is not true. I have read many interesting things in this forum.

[faithlilly]

Thanks Heri - an excellent aerial picture there - showing how unlikely it was that anyone would notice the bedroom window - whilst crossing the car park to and from their apartments - especially in the dark.

The bedroom door was allegedly open and there was a light in the lounge which would have illuminated the window somewhat and the darkness  surrounding the window would have made that illumination more noticeable.

[sadie]

You always were the only one who put any real and educated effort into this, Heri.  The rest of us just mess about and speculate.

ORLY?

Heri is exceptional, he has tackled this at a professional level... and is to be applauded

However, I could name a good number who have  put very real and very educated effort into this.  A fair few are pretty exceptional too in their dedication to sorting out information.  Real information based on official documents and indesputable facts.  They are to be applauded too.

Well done guys.

All of you.

[sadie]

I can't see that pic/thread posted but you would be able to see the window. Nothing is blocking your view of the window and that abductor forgot his car. But wait there wasn't an abductor that's why he had to use his feet to get rid of the evidence. Good job Smithman but people know who you are 



You can't see the door so you don't open the window if you had a key. No key was used! 

Do you KNOW how much of the window was open ... cos I dont.

That window is very deep and the lower part would be hidden by the pathway wall as people entered the parking area to walk across the centre of the building.  Remember they were forced to take the route along that walled pathway to get to their to their flat and would be looking at the centre part of the building.

In the unlikely situation that they turned their heads and looked sideways into the darkness [no-one looks into darkness unless there is a noise] then if the window was only slightly open, the open part could be hidden by the wall anyway.



PFinder
No key was used!

PLease will YOU STOP STATING YOUR THOUGHTS AS FACTS.

It is totally unfair to try and change the scenario like that.

You keep doing it and I cannot understand why this forum keeps a dis / mis-information merchant on board.

You should be permanently banned IMO

[sadie]

Do you KNOW how much of the window was open ... cos I dont.

That window is very deep and the lower part would be hidden by the pathway wall as people entered the parking area to walk across the centre of the building.  Remember they were forced to take the route along that walled pathway to get to their to their flat and would be looking at the centre part of the building.

In the unlikely situation that they turned their heads and looked sideways into the darkness [no-one looks into darkness unless there is a noise] then if the window was only slightly open, the open part could be hidden by the wall anyway.

-snipped-

So just how wide open was the shutter?  We haven't been told, have we?.


To illustrate my point:
In the three photos below you can see how the lower part of the window is well below the level of the wall.  So if only a slight part of the lower part were open, no-one COULD see it when walking the path they would have had to have walked to their apartments

http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PB/Light_on_Shutters183.jpg



http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/x190/128671_2.jpg

this image from slightly above , does not even have the bottom of the shutter on it !  It is taller than we can see.


http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/5A_on_left_small.JPG


http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/5aa.jpg


See how the bottom of the shutter is not visible from a persons viewpoint as he walks across the parking area to the centre of the building

[faithlilly]

So just how wide open was the shutter?  We haven't been told, have we?.


To illustrate my point:
In the three photos below you can see how the lower part of the window is well below the level of the wall.  So if only a slight part of the lower part were open, no-one COULD see it when walking the path they would have had to have walked to their apartments

http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PB/Light_on_Shutters183.jpg



http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/x190/128671_2.jpg

this image from slightly above , does not even have the bottom of the shutter on it !  It is taller than we can see.


http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/5A_on_left_small.JPG


http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/5aa.jpg


See how the bottom of the shutter is not visible from a persons viewpoint as he walks across the parking area to the centre of the building

Kate claimed the shutter was open fully and as there would be light filtering through from the light in the lounge the window would have been illuminated somewhat.

[sadie]

Kate claimed the shutter was open fully and as there would be light filtering through from the light in the lounge the window would have been illuminated somewhat.

The light filtering thru is a good point Faith, but not a lot, I think.... and if only the bottom part of the shutters were open, it could not have been seen anyway. 

Remember anyone walking across that parking lot was looking in the way they were moving towards the light.  And remember Heris information about the limits of periferal vision.

People do not look around in the dark; they look in the direction they are walking or at bright light if it is within their periferal vision.


How far open was the door when Kate arrived?  Anyone know?


And now I will leave you to ponder.  Byee

[faithlilly]

The light filtering thru is a good point Faith, but not a lot, I think.... and if only the bottom part of the shutters were open, it could not have been seen anyway. 

Remember anyone walking across that parking lot was looking in the way they were moving towards the light.  And remember Heris information about the limits of periferal vision.

People do not look around in the dark; they look in the direction they are walking or at bright light if it is within their periferal vision.


How far open was the door when Kate arrived?  Anyone know?


And now I will leave you to ponder.  Byee

According to Kate the shutters were right up as you well know sadie.

[Wonderfulspam]

According to Kate the shutters were right up as you well know sadie.

Yep, the shutter was right up, according to Kate.....

Kate McCann 'shutter was right up' McCanns on Oprah Show May 4th 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNI5up44Nho#t=932

The door was quite open,allegedly.

(It was completely open in her first statement, &, she noticed it immediately, as she did with the open curtains which the wind never blew)

........

Kate McCann statement to police May 4th 2007.

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta4


Here's Kate changing her story...

Cutting Edge 'Madeleine Was Here'  7th May 2009.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw#t=10

[Wonderfulspam]

Matt Oldfield's check:

'we talked also in the interviews about how light the room was and whether I could see the shutters, and I can't see the shutters because the curtains were shut and, they're similar curtains to the ones you've got in there, and you just get an impression of just like green and yellow, but they were closed, they weren't sort of blowing about, because I'm sure I'd have noticed if there was sort of movement like that. But the room seemed light, and we spent a lot of time talking about this, whether it could be light coming in from the street outside, but there was a light behind us in the room and for some reason I thought, I got the impression of light coming through the doorway from behind me, which his why I said that I thought perhaps the moon was out, erm, but there as no sort of, you know, it's a questions of whether, there was no sort of slats of light coming through the back that particularly caught my eye. So I didn't specifically see the shutters and I couldn't say that they were definitely open, but certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Brietta]

The view of the front door entrance and the window of apartment 5A was obscured by heavy foliage on the surrounding  trees on the night Madeleine disappeared ... the former burglar quoted below would have seen that as perfect cover and perfect opportunity.

**snip

You should also think outside the home, he adds: your garden can tempt criminals, too.

“I was always looking for houses which had lots of tall trees and bushes to conceal me. Or I would look for corner houses, where there weren’t any neighbours who might spot what I was up to.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/advice/9627884/How-to-beat-the-burglars-this-winter.html

Burglars do not like being cornered by irate homeowners and take pains to ensure an escape route in that eventuality ... there are witness statements to the effect that the shutter was raised and and the window opened ... and that fits the known pattern.
Speaking of potential witnesses ... Mr and Mrs Moyes returned to their apartment some time after nine fifteen pm on the 3rd May.  We only have their word for that ... no 'independent' witness saw them doing so ... so do we believe that they did or will we call them liars just for the fun of it?

** Snip

CF0468511214 – Chequer Street Fenstanton

Detached bungalow with open drive to the front.
Double gates on one side and single gate on the other.
Top inside bolt on the single gate opened to allow access to the rear garden.
Security light at side pulled from wall.
Security light at rear broken.
Conservatory door handle forced down to open. No instrument used.
General search throughout, but mainly in the master bedroom. Jewellery targeted.
Rear bedroom window handle forced open as a secondary escape route.
Exit could have been via the front door which had a yale lock or as entry.

https://www.ecops.org.uk/da/95130/Fenstanton_Burglary_update_.html

[Alice Purjorick]

The view of the front door entrance and the window of apartment 5A was obscured by heavy foliage on the surrounding  trees on the night Madeleine disappeared ... the former burglar quoted below would have seen that as perfect cover and perfect opportunity.

**snip

You should also think outside the home, he adds: your garden can tempt criminals, too.

“I was always looking for houses which had lots of tall trees and bushes to conceal me. Or I would look for corner houses, where there weren’t any neighbours who might spot what I was up to.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/advice/9627884/How-to-beat-the-burglars-this-winter.html

Burglars do not like being cornered by irate homeowners and take pains to ensure an escape route in that eventuality ... there are witness statements to the effect that the shutter was raised and and the window opened ... and that fits the known pattern.
Speaking of potential witnesses ... Mr and Mrs Moyes returned to their apartment some time after nine fifteen pm on the 3rd May.  We only have their word for that ... no 'independent' witness saw them doing so ... so do we believe that they did or will we call them liars just for the fun of it?

** Snip

CF0468511214 – Chequer Street Fenstanton

Detached bungalow with open drive to the front.
Double gates on one side and single gate on the other.
Top inside bolt on the single gate opened to allow access to the rear garden.
Security light at side pulled from wall.
Security light at rear broken.
Conservatory door handle forced down to open. No instrument used.
General search throughout, but mainly in the master bedroom. Jewellery targeted.
Rear bedroom window handle forced open as a secondary escape route.
Exit could have been via the front door which had a yale lock or as entry.

https://www.ecops.org.uk/da/95130/Fenstanton_Burglary_update_.html

The robberies listed in Fenstanton, a place with which I am familiar incidentally, say jewellery was targeted.
Your point being?