Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.

[sika]

05/12/95 - 07/12/95 - Phone Records 03
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DATE

TIME

FROM   
 

TO   
 

05/12/95

19.28

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

05/12/95

20.02

01277260049

M J HOOD FLAT 2 BOOTHS COURT HUTTON

01268458327

SAUNDERS (LANDLINE)

05/12/95

22.15

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE ALARM CALL

05/12/95

22.17

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE ALARM CALL

05/12/95

22.34

01206251979

STEELE (LANDLINE)

01268458327

SAUNDERS (LANDLINE)

06/12/95

09.02

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

01375480213

ROLFE (LANDLINE) JAGGERS

06/12/95

09.20

01268287131

TATE (LANDLINE) 49 GORDON ROAD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

09.26

01268287131

TATE (LANDLINE) 49 GORDON ROAD

01375480213

ROLFE (LANDLINE) JAGGERS

06/12/95

09.55

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

06/12/95

09.56

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE ALARM CALL

06/12/95

09.59

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

01375480213

ROLFE (LANDLINE) JAGGERS

06/12/95

10.21

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

06/12/95

11.21

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

11.31

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

0973740923

TATE (MOBILE)

06/12/95

11.43

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

01268520537

BASILDON TYRE SERVICES LTD

06/12/95

11.46

01268287131

TATE (LANDLINE) 49 GORDON ROAD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

11.50

01268458327

SAUNDERS (LANDLINE)

01206251979

STEELE (LANDLINE)

06/12/95

12.21

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

12.22

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE ALARM CALL

06/12/95

12.51

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

01206251979

STEELE (LANDLINE)

06/12/95

12.52

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

06/12/95

12.53

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

0850682729

STEELE (MOBILE)

06/12/95

12.54

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

06/12/95

12.54

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

06/12/95

12.59

01206251979

STEELE (LANDLINE)

0836215646

WHOMES (MOBILE)

06/12/95

13.23

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

06/12/95

13.24

0973740923

TATE (MOBILE)

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

06/12/95

14.00

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

14.02

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

14.11

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

0836215646

WHOMES (MOBILE)

06/12/95

14.14

0973740923

TATE (MOBILE)

01268520537

BASILDON TYRE SERVICES LTD

06/12/95

14.22

01268520537

BASILDON TYRE SERVICES LTD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

14.23

01268287131

TATE (LANDLINE) 49 GORDON ROAD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

14.29

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

14.29

01473830370

PAYPHONE, SORELL HORSE INN, IPSWICH

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

14.32

01473830370

PAYPHONE, SORELL HORSE INN, IPSWICH

01268551010

PAYPHONE TIMBERLOG LANE / CLAY HILL RD, BASILDON

06/12/95

14.32

01473830370

PAYPHONE, SORELL HORSE INN, IPSWICH

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

14.52

01473830370

PAYPHONE, SORELL HORSE INN, IPSWICH

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

[Holly Goodhead]

Sorry Holly, your interpretation is wrong.  The call at 14.52 was made from the Sorrell Horse phone box.

It was put to him that those were calls to first Tucker and then Tate.He said the phone calls from the Sorrel Horse were not made by him. He gave the same answer to the call at 2050, 1452, 20 minutes later, the call to Nicholls' mobile. That is a call from the payphone to Nicholls' mobile 288. Again Mr Steele said the calls were not made by him. He said, "I think Nicholls was at the Sorrel Horse, Barham. I know full well Nicholls had sought to phone me. I'm suggesting it is possible Nicholls may have been there at the phone box." In the light of that answer he was asked to look again at 2050 which is the phone box phoning Nicholls' mobile, 288. He still said he thought it was Nicholls using that box. He was not in the Sorrel Horse phone box.

The above is ambiguous because we don't have all the info before us but the CoA doc makes it clear that the 14.52 call from the phone box in Timber Log Lane was to Nicholls' mobile. 
 
At 14.32 there was a call to a telephone kiosk in Basildon, close to where Tate lived. About 20 minutes later there was a call from the same telephone kiosk to Nicholls' mobile phone.

In any event I don't understand why all the calls didn't undergo the sort of scrutiny the calls at 18.59 between Whomes/Nicholls underwent. 

I don't know what happens if a mobile call goes unanswered/goes into voice mail but assuming the recipients of these calls answered their phones then it was possible to determine the approx geographic location in terms of which cells/masts they were routed through.  From the CoA:

Each mobile telephone making or receiving a call does so by way of a radio signal, which is routed through one of many local transmitters, commonly called 'cell sites', which provide a general coverage throughout the country. Skilled interrogation and analysis of the computer records will show the cell site through which each outgoing and incoming call made from or to a mobile telephone was routed.

Steele made a call on his mobile to Nicholls mobile at 14.11 where were the pair situated 19 minutes before the calls from the Sorrel Horse started? 

It's quite possible Steele had received and made calls from others during the course of the day/eve.  If so where was he located when he made/received these calls?

I find it odd the info made availale seems selective and slated towards the prosecution case.

[sika]

 

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06/12/95

14.56

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

14.56

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

15.06

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

15.08

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

0836215646

WHOMES (MOBILE)

06/12/95

15.50

0973740923

TATE (MOBILE)

01375480213

ROLFE (LANDLINE) JAGGERS

06/12/95

15.57

01206251979

STEELE (LANDLINE)

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

16.04

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE ALARM CALL

06/12/95

16.36

0973427288

NICHOLLS( MOBILE)

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

06/12/95

16.39

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

06/12/95

17.09

01449766495

WHOMES (LANDLINE)

0836215646

WHOMES (MOBILE)

06/12/95

17.12

0836215646

WHOMES MOBILE

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

06/12/95

18.03

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

0836215646

WHOMES (MOBILE)

06/12/95

18.09

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

0836215646

WHOMES (MOBILE)

06/12/95

18.34

01268458327

SAUNDERS (LANDLINE)

01277260049

MR M J HOOD FLAT 2 BOOTHS COURT HUTTON

06/12/95

18.44

01268458327

SAUNDERS (LANDLINE)

0973740923

TATE (MOBILE)

06/12/95

18.59

0836215646

WHOMES MOBILE

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

19.19

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

19.55

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

06/12/95

20.18

01206251979

STEELE (LANDLINE)

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

06/12/95

20.20

01206251979

STEELE (LANDLINE)

0836215646

WHOMES (MOBILE)

06/12/95

20.27

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

20.36

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

01375480213

ROLFE (LANDLINE) JAGGERS

06/12/95

20.39

01206251979

STEELE (LANDLINE)

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

06/12/95

20.39

01206251979

STEELE (LANDLINE)

0836215646

WHOMES (MOBILE)

06/12/95

21.07

01449766495

WHOMES (LANDLINE)

0836215646

WHOMES (MOBILE)

06/12/95

21.11

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

06/12/95

21.22

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

06/12/95

21.49

0836215646

WHOMES MOBILE

01449766495

WHOMES (LANDLINE)

07/12/95

01.38

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE ALARM CALL

07/12/95

07.48

01375480213

ROLFE (LANDLINE) JAGGERS

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

07/12/95

07.50

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

07/12/95

08.38

01375480213

ROLFE (LANDLINE) JAGGERS

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

07/12/95

09.03

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

01375480213

ROLFE (LANDLINE) JAGGERS

07/12/95

09.05

01376551430

NICHOLLS (LANDLINE) MISS R BECKETT

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

07/12/95

09.24

0836215646

WHOMES MOBILE

0860843978

STEELE (MOBILE)

07/12/95

09.26

01268558162

TUCKER (LANDLINE) A M WHITEHEAD

0385317327

TUCKER (MOBILE)

07/12/95

09.27

0836215646

WHOMES MOBILE

01449766495

WHOMES (LANDLINE)

07/12/95

09.56

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE

01268557679

GARWOOD (LANDLINE) P TATE ALARM CALL

07/12/95

10.42

01449766495

WHOMES (LANDLINE)

[sika]

I've copied up these schedules compiled by the Police.

Apologies for the poor formatting.  Makes it a bit of job to read, I know.

[sika]

06/12/95

14.52

01473830370

PAYPHONE, SORELL HORSE INN, IPSWICH

0973427288

NICHOLLS (MOBILE)

[Myster]

The cops knew the hit was going to take place that night, and let it happen so that three inveterate troublemakers could be crossed off their list.  Whomes and Steele were the fall guys, although whether they actually did the shooting is open to question.  Steele, whose police interviews are liberally sprinkled with No Comments, certainly had something to hide.

[sika]

The cops knew the hit was going to take place that night, and let it happen so that three inveterate troublemakers could be crossed off their list.  Whomes and Steele were the fall guys, although whether they actually did the shooting is open to question.  Steele, whose police interviews are liberally sprinkled with No Comments, certainly had something to hide.

What evidence is there to support the theory that Police knew ? 

[Myster]

What evidence is there to support the theory that Police knew ?

Were they all, or at least Whomes and Steele as well-known drug runners / suppliers and especially after the Betts affair not put under surveillance which was withdrawn shortly before the murders?  And that evidence later concealed?

[Holly Goodhead]

I've copied up these schedules compiled by the Police.

Apologies for the poor formatting.  Makes it a bit of job to read, I know.

Thanks sika.  I'll have a good read when I have time.

I do hope the defence authenticated all the info provided by the police!?  I would not accept anything less than originals from the tel comm co's and experts who provided info on the cells/masts and even then I would ensure I was up to speed or had to hand a forensic document examiner! 

In my former industry, fin serv, we were only able to trade off original docs which had to be verified as authentic.  Surely if someone's liberty is at stake its even more critical to ensure info is kosher!

[Holly Goodhead]

The cops knew the hit was going to take place that night, and let it happen so that three inveterate troublemakers could be crossed off their list.  Whomes and Steele were the fall guys, although whether they actually did the shooting is open to question.  Steele, whose police interviews are liberally sprinkled with No Comments, certainly had something to hide.

So too were Nicholls initial interviews until he realised his police handler had been arrested and he probably had it put to him he was in the frame for murder.  It was his mobile along with Whomes' mobile which put them in the vicinity of Rettendon at what the police considered to be the right time.  It appears he then decided to turn supergrass and spill the beans on the illegal activities of police officers, drugs business and the murders!  In terms of Steele it was Nicholls' testimony alone that sent him down for murder.

There's no doubt in my mind Nicholls, Steele and Whomes were in the area up to no good.  Their testimonies as to why they were in the area ie picking up a trailer and a broken down car are incredibly weak.  But were they in the area on drugs business only and/or did they also carry out the murders?  I'm inclined to think the former only. 

If Steele put his hands up and admitted being in the area on drugs business only, he was still looking at a long custodial sentence given his previous.  The current max sentence for supply and production of class B is 14 years. And he would still be leaving himself open to the murder charge.  Plus an unlimited fine and losing all his ill-gotten gains.

[Holly Goodhead]

Were they all, or at least Whomes and Steele as well-known drug runners / suppliers and especially after the Betts affair not put under surveillance which was withdrawn shortly before the murders?  And that evidence later concealed?

And are we really to believe that Nicholls only became a police informant during Jan '96 and not before:

In January 1996 Nicholls became a police informant. His handler was Detective Constable Bird. Their relationship was a corrupt one.

Especially given

The third importation occurred on 7/8 November. Nicholls and Corry collected £125,000 from Steele in the presence of Whomes. Nicholls and Corry then took the overnight ferry from Harwich and made their way to Stone's café. Although the preference had been to obtain herbal cannabis only cannabis resin was available. On this occasion Nicholls had hired a car but had had some difficulty with the hire company because it insisted on payment by credit card rather than cash. Nicholls did not have sufficient credit on his credit card and so had to telephone home to arrange for his wife to pay money into a bank account. The bank then provided a reference number which persuaded the hire company to release the car. All this was confirmed by documentary exhibits. Having obtained the drugs from Stone, Nicholls was unable to contact Steele and spoke instead to Whomes. Nicholls and Corry then proceeded to Blankenberg where the drugs were loaded into Steele's boat. Steele and Corry then returned to England with the drugs in the boat. Nicholls returned the hire car to Amsterdam and, having missed the night ferry, stayed in the Delta Hotel. He had difficulty in making telephone contact with Steele which is not surprising because in the early hours of 8 November Steele, Whomes, Corry and another man had been arrested on the beach at Felixstowe. At that time, according to Nicholls, the drugs had already been off-loaded at another point on the coast and the boat had then proceeded to Felixstowe where Corry was cleaning it at the time of arrest. A small trace of cannabis was later found in the boat following its seizure on this occasion. However those who had been arrested were soon released and no-one was charged with any offence at the time. Nicholls' knowledge of what had occurred in his absence came from subsequent conversations with Steele who also described tampering with the navigation system of the boat so that there was no record of where it had been.

[Holly Goodhead]

Jack Whomes' mother certainly seems to think her son is innocent but then I guess most do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imGdtTtBZs0

His siblings have also been very supportive especially his brother John Whomes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqFvk6wPGuc

I wonder if we could invite John to join the forum and/or ask him to upload case related docs?

[Holly Goodhead]

Letter from Jack Whomes (no independent verification of authenticity) to the public narrated by the person who has made a number of vids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ONqgBsRgw

[sika]

I have seen the hand written version of a letter from Whomes.  I'll have to give this a listen to see if it's the same one. 

[Holly Goodhead]

I have seen the hand written version of a letter from Whomes.  I'll have to give this a listen to see if it's the same one.

The little paperclip icon appears on your post but nothing has attached?