Have most people given up on finding Madeleine alive?

[Mr Gray]

Not the interview I was thinking of but this will suffice.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/23/ukcrime.internationalcrime

You are confused between cadaver and sniffer dogs

[Alfred R Jones]

Not the interview I was thinking of but this will suffice.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/23/ukcrime.internationalcrime

Give me one good reason why guilty people would ask for sniffer dogs to be brought in to investigate their crimes.

[Brietta]

Give me one good reason why guilty people would ask for sniffer dogs to be brought in to investigate their crimes.

In my opinion had they been guilty they would have packed their bags after a decent interval and returned to obscurity in England where Madeleine would soon have been replaced in the news by the next tragedy.

It is solely her parents resolve, tenacity and belief that she is alive and needs to be looked for that has driven the investigation into her disappearance to be reopened; a truly strange behaviour if trying to conceal a crime.

[slartibartfast]

In my opinion had they been guilty they would have packed their bags after a decent interval and returned to obscurity in England where Madeleine would soon have been replaced in the news by the next tragedy.

It is solely her parents resolve, tenacity and belief that she is alive and needs to be looked for that has driven the investigation into her disappearance to be reopened; a truly strange behaviour if trying to conceal a crime.

See

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion had they been guilty they would have packed their bags after a decent interval and returned to obscurity in England where Madeleine would soon have been replaced in the news by the next tragedy.

It is solely her parents resolve, tenacity and belief that she is alive and needs to be looked for that has driven the investigation into her disappearance to be reopened; a truly strange behaviour if trying to conceal a crime.

This is absolutely true....but everything is dismissed by the sceptics as it is with any conspiracy theory. Even SY stating the Mccanns are not suspects is dismissed...it seem we are supposed to believe that SY are spending 10 million  in Portugal even though both they and Cameron know that really it was the McCanns themselves wot dunnit...ridiculous.

[G-Unit]

Give me one good reason why guilty people would ask for sniffer dogs to be brought in to investigate their crimes.

It would have been better if the quote had been given before the dogs were used, not after. That article could be seen as an exercise in damage limitation by a PR spokesperson in my opinion;
 
Public relations professionals also manage crises. "All publicity is good publicity," claims the old PR adage. But one piece of really bad press can tarnish the well-honed image of a business, college or politician for good. According to a 2007 survey by Harris Interactive, 15 percent of consumers would never again purchase a recalled brand. PR experts create a crisis management plan to respond quickly and proactively when a potentially damaging story is breaking.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/business-communications/how-public-relations-works2.htm

Another point to consider is why the McCanns would have asked for dogs to be used considering their opinion of these 'incredibly unreliable' dogs? Gerry McCann told Sandra Felgueiras;

I can tell you that we have also looked at evidence about (haha) cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable.
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/gerry-mccann-cadaver-dogs-are.html

If the McCanns did request that dogs be used they became incredibly unreliable only after they suggested foul play in apartment G5A then?

[Brietta]

It would have been better if the quote had been given before the dogs were used, not after. That article could be seen as an exercise in damage limitation by a PR spokesperson in my opinion;
 
Public relations professionals also manage crises. "All publicity is good publicity," claims the old PR adage. But one piece of really bad press can tarnish the well-honed image of a business, college or politician for good. According to a 2007 survey by Harris Interactive, 15 percent of consumers would never again purchase a recalled brand. PR experts create a crisis management plan to respond quickly and proactively when a potentially damaging story is breaking.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/business-communications/how-public-relations-works2.htm

Another point to consider is why the McCanns would have asked for dogs to be used considering their opinion of these 'incredibly unreliable' dogs? Gerry McCann told Sandra Felgueiras;

I can tell you that we have also looked at evidence about (haha) cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable.
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/gerry-mccann-cadaver-dogs-are.html

If the McCanns did request that dogs be used they became incredibly unreliable only after they suggested foul play in apartment G5A then?

Depends very much on circumstances and the dog.

Those of us with an interest in the case have witnessed Eddie trampling through and picking up and playing with the 'evidence' from garments to tennis balls and pink cuddle cat ... not forgetting the pork sandwich or whatever lifted from a kitchen waste bin.
This was not his trained response ... and that is a very important issue to bear in mind.


**snip
Dogs should be trained in such a way that, if they do locate, for example, a human cadaver, they do not actually touch or attempt to retrieve the remains, which would compromise potential evidence.
http://forensicsciencecentral.co.uk/detectiondogs.shtml


The expensive British dogs brought to PDL proved nothing ... and given they failed to find evidence of Madeleine's death (please read Martin Grime's conclusions in the files) it has to be assumed that she is still alive, and there was certainly a stronger chance that was the case back in 2007.

[Mr Gray]

Depends very much on circumstances and the dog.

Those of us with an interest in the case have witnessed Eddie trampling through and picking up and playing with the 'evidence' from garments to tennis balls and pink cuddle cat ... not forgetting the pork sandwich or whatever lifted from a kitchen waste bin.
This was not his trained response ... and that is a very important issue to bear in mind.


**snip
Dogs should be trained in such a way that, if they do locate, for example, a human cadaver, they do not actually touch or attempt to retrieve the remains, which would compromise potential evidence.
http://forensicsciencecentral.co.uk/detectiondogs.shtml


The expensive British dogs brought to PDL proved nothing ... and given they failed to find evidence of Madeleine's death (please read Martin Grime's conclusions in the files) it has to be assumed that she is still alive, and there was certainly a stronger chance that was the case back in 2007.

The very fact that the best dogs in the world found nothing to confirm Maddie's death supports the fact that she may still be alive.

[Alfred R Jones]

It would have been better if the quote had been given before the dogs were used, not after. That article could be seen as an exercise in damage limitation by a PR spokesperson in my opinion;
 
Public relations professionals also manage crises. "All publicity is good publicity," claims the old PR adage. But one piece of really bad press can tarnish the well-honed image of a business, college or politician for good. According to a 2007 survey by Harris Interactive, 15 percent of consumers would never again purchase a recalled brand. PR experts create a crisis management plan to respond quickly and proactively when a potentially damaging story is breaking.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/business-communications/how-public-relations-works2.htm

Another point to consider is why the McCanns would have asked for dogs to be used considering their opinion of these 'incredibly unreliable' dogs? Gerry McCann told Sandra Felgueiras;

I can tell you that we have also looked at evidence about (haha) cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable.
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/gerry-mccann-cadaver-dogs-are.html

If the McCanns did request that dogs be used they became incredibly unreliable only after they suggested foul play in apartment G5A then?

If I made a public statement that I had asked the police to do something when in fact I had asked no such thing I would be somewhat be concerned that they (the police) would have tangible evidence of my propensity to tell blatant lies, wouldn't you?

[Jean-Pierre]

See

Your quote of "the lady doth protest too much....methinks" is curiously apt. 

Because in Shakespear's day "protest" did not mean "object" or "deny"but rather meant "vow" or "declare solemnly".

But then of course Alice would be the forum expert on this play.   

 

[slartibartfast]

Your quote of "the lady doth protest too much....methinks" is curiously apt. 

Because in Shakespear's day "protest" did not mean "object" or "deny"but rather meant "vow" or "declare solemnly".

But then of course Alice would be the forum expert on this play.   

It a question of who it best fits.

[pathfinder73]

Depends very much on circumstances and the dog.

Those of us with an interest in the case have witnessed Eddie trampling through and picking up and playing with the 'evidence' from garments to tennis balls and pink cuddle cat ... not forgetting the pork sandwich or whatever lifted from a kitchen waste bin.
This was not his trained response ... and that is a very important issue to bear in mind.


**snip
Dogs should be trained in such a way that, if they do locate, for example, a human cadaver, they do not actually touch or attempt to retrieve the remains, which would compromise potential evidence.
http://forensicsciencecentral.co.uk/detectiondogs.shtml


The expensive British dogs brought to PDL proved nothing ... and given they failed to find evidence of Madeleine's death (please read Martin Grime's conclusions in the files) it has to be assumed that she is still alive, and there was certainly a stronger chance that was the case back in 2007.

Keela proved that Eddie didn't alert to blood on their clothes. SY and cadaver dogs were looking for evidence of a body last summer.

[Mr Gray]

Keela proved that Eddie didn't alert to blood on their clothes. SY and cadaver dogs were looking for evidence of a body last summer.

if none of the alerts are of  evidential reliability they cannot prove anything

[Alice Purjorick]

Your quote of "the lady doth protest too much....methinks" is curiously apt. 

Because in Shakespear's day "protest" did not mean "object" or "deny"but rather meant "vow" or "declare solemnly".

But then of course Alice would be the forum expert on this play.   

I did reply saying in the context of the play the old or modern definition of the word works.
Post was whooshed. Bleedin' cultural desert 

[G-Unit]

The very fact that the best dogs in the world found nothing to confirm Maddie's death supports the fact that she may still be alive.

Unless there are human remains around these dogs can't find anything to confirm a death. What they do is alert to the scent they are trained to find. The EVRD dog alerted in apartment G5A in two places; in the parent's bedroom near the wardrobe and in the living room behind the couch.

The CSI dog also alerted behind the couch, which suggests that both dogs were alerting to blood in that location. As the CSI dog didn't alert in the bedroom that could have been an indication that the EVRD dog alerted because a body had been there. As no body was found, the alert by the EVRD dog was simply a clue, or an 'indication' as Grimes refers to it.

So the dogs didn't find nothing, they indicated two possibilities. Forensic analysis found DNA on the swabs taken from behind the couch, but not enough to say who it belonged to. Nevertheless, something was found belonging to someone.

Both dogs alerted to the McCann's car, in particular to the key, and DNA consistent with that of Gerry McCann was found on the key. The CSI dog alerted in the boot of the car and DNA was recovered, but was not matched to any one person.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm