Have most people given up on finding Madeleine alive?

[Mr Gray]

I asked with reference to specific and the only logical alternatives.

Your defence of him says everything about him and you.

He did not refer to those.

So like him, you clearly also believe in fantasies.

I answered your question..I have no idea...your problem is you didn't like the answer. You are starting to appear a little fixated stephen

[Lace]

The problem I have with the dogs, is that what Eddie can smell not straight forward.

Both dogs react to blood.   Eddie reacts to blood and cadaver.

BUT,  for what I have read a cadaver dog can smell something that has once been there.

Reading about cadaver dogs alerts,   in one instance a cadaver dog alerted but as they said,  there could have been something with blood on it left there that had nothing at all to do with the case.

If that is so,   Eddie could have been alerting in the bedroom to something such as a bloodied tissue where someone had cut themselves or had a nose bleed,  that tissue of whatever was not there anymore but the odour of it was still there.

As 5a was rented out to other families,  who knows what could have been there from one of them.

These people were asked if anyone had died they said no,  so they were all dismissed.

[Brietta]

you do realise that even  if maddie is alive she would have no memory of what really did happen in portugal that night the human mind can only recall  basic things from about  4  or 5  at the most

If that is your justification not to look for a missing child ... that's fine ... however, it sounds like a kidnapper's charter to me.

[Benice]

I asked with reference to specific and the only logical alternatives.

Your defence of him says everything about him and you.

He did not refer to those.

So like him, you clearly also believe in fantasies.

I'm not defending anyone.  I'm objecting to you telling fibs about another poster. 

[Mr Gray]

you do realise that even  if maddie is alive she would have no memory of what really did happen in portugal that night the human mind can only recall  basic things from about  4  or 5  at the most

I have memories going back to 2 yrs old...and I'm sure others do too

[Anna]

Those are the ones that we know about, Eleanor, and there must be so many more running into the thousands.

Fascist regimes have been particularly adept at 'redistributing' children ... in recent history the Nazis did it, Fascist regimes in South America did it, Spain did it.

Who is to say there wasn't a residue of that attitude around Madeleine justified by the thinking that it was OK because they did have another two to ease the blow.

There is not a shred of evidence pointing to Madeleine McCann's death ... therefore it is her right as a human being to be considered as living and capable of being found until confirmation either way.

I remain astounded at the eagerness of some that a British child missing abroad should not be looked for on the word of a convicted perjurer.

The high court made madeleine a ward of court, which she continues to be and therefore, there being no evidence to the contrary, it is presumed Madeleine is alive.

The only thing that will change this, is If evidence is found that Madeleine is in fact no longer alive.
The proof required is her body, which has not been found dead or alive.

What ever we think is most probable, is legally, of no importance without evidence.

[Brietta]

The problem I have with the dogs, is that what Eddie can smell not straight forward.

Both dogs react to blood.   Eddie reacts to blood and cadaver.

BUT,  for what I have read a cadaver dog can smell something that has once been there.

Reading about cadaver dogs alerts,   in one instance a cadaver dog alerted but as they said,  there could have been something with blood on it left there that had nothing at all to do with the case.

If that is so,   Eddie could have been alerting in the bedroom to something such as a bloodied tissue where someone had cut themselves or had a nose bleed,  that tissue of whatever was not there anymore but the odour of it was still there.

As 5a was rented out to other families,  who knows what could have been there from one of them.

These people were asked if anyone had died they said no,  so they were all dismissed.

Exactly so, Lace.

There is also the conundrum of the supposed alerts to articles of clothing and cuddlecat ... all items which Eddie picked up in his mouth in absolute contradiction to his trained response.

We are told 'the scent of death' is highly transferable ... IMO this is fact.  Therefore everything which those items came into contact with would reek to Eddie's nose.

He alerted to nothing in every other area where those items had been ... that includes the Payne apartment, their temporary accommodation in block 4 ... the rented villa ... the containers they had been packed in ... and singularly there was no alert to any of the clothing worn by Dr Gerry McCann.

Therefore neither physical or esoteric proof of death ... no proof, therefore the presumption must be that Madeleine McCann was alive when she left the apartment, and there is a possibility she may still be.

No-one will know anything for sure unless she is looked for.

[Anna]

you do realise that even  if maddie is alive she would have no memory of what really did happen in portugal that night the human mind can only recall  basic things from about  4  or 5  at the most

If Maddie is found alive, I don't think that the first thing on peoples minds will be her memory.

She is the most important person in this whole case, not the person who may have taken her.

[Carana]

you do realise that even  if maddie is alive she would have no memory of what really did happen in portugal that night the human mind can only recall  basic things from about  4  or 5  at the most

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, Carly.

What do you mean by "basic things"?

"What really did happen in portugal that night" - what do you mean? The entire sequence of events? If so, probably not.

However, I know from personal experience that flash memories are possible from a much younger age.

[Lace]

SY are going on the basis that Madeleine was taken during a 'botched' burglary.    Where have they said these burglars are Paedophiles?

[jassi]

SY are going on the basis that Madeleine was taken during a 'botched' burglary.    Where have they said these burglars are Paedophiles?

I think SY have abandoned the paedophile line, now, due to lack of any evidence. How long before they give up on Burglar Bill?

[stephen25000]

I answered your question..I have no idea...your problem is you didn't like the answer. You are starting to appear a little fixated stephen

Fixated Dave ???

I am not the person who believes in fantasies of Madeleine being alive.

You are, along with some of your fellows.

Now the question arises of why certain parties believe in her returning, which n there has been no trace of her at all, since the night she disappeared.

[Anna]

Fixated Dave ???

I am not the person who believes in fantasies of Madeleine being alive.

You are, along with some of your fellows.

Now the question arises of why certain parties believe in her returning, which n there has been no trace of her at all, since the night she disappeared.

Who has said that they believe that she will be returning, Stephen?

Because it is unknown what happened to her and no body has been found, it would be unrealistic to say as a fact, that she is alive or in fact, that she is dead.

[Jean-Pierre]

Fixated Dave ???

I am not the person who believes in fantasies of Madeleine being alive.

You are, along with some of your fellows.

Now the question arises of why certain parties believe in her returning, which n there has been no trace of her at all, since the night she disappeared.

Nobody can say Madeleine is definitely dead, or definitely alive.  In the absence of absolute proof there remains a possibility, however slim.  You may not like it but that is a fact. 

To be honest Stephen, you are showing a rather creepy determination to convince everyone that Madeleine is dead.  You have become the forum equivalent of the drunk pub bore, droning on and on about their pet obsession.

It would be funny, if the subject were not so tragic.

[Lace]

I think SY have abandoned the paedophile line, now, due to lack of any evidence. How long before they give up on Burglar Bill?

With all the talk of Madeleine is probably with Paedophiles there is no evidence of this if it was a burglary gone wrong.   Why would the burglars have handed her over to Paedophiles?

It is only if she was targeted that she could have been taken for a Paedophile ring,  though she could easily have been taken for trafficking for a family.

I think if money could have been made out of Madeleine then it was.