Have most people given up on finding Madeleine alive?

[stephen25000]

Who knows what they think, but I believe they only went with the investigation because they got special funding.

People who want to abduct others are seldom deterred by the risks.

Precisely Jassi.

[Eleanor]

I was referring to cases in general.

Grange has spent £10,000,000 and nothing to show for it, after being initiated by Cameron.

As to scaring abductors, do you have a cite for that ?

No, I don't have a cite for that.  Just common sense.  An abductor might think twice about being hounded across borders, and ultimately caught.  People like this don't do well in prison, so there is a Crime Prevention aspect to this.
In which case, money well spent.

[Benice]

Perhaps if you can point out where another missing child has had a comparable amount of money spent on the search for them for a comparable amount of time there may be a case made for it continuing.

Quote from The Telegraph:  Re The April Jones case.

Detectives quickly launched what became the biggest search in British police history, with specialist teams spending six months scouring an area spanning almost 40 square miles.

The investigation and search is estimated to have cost in excess of £8.5 million.
Unquote

This cost covers a much shorter time span than the McCann case.   No doubt it would have cost a great deal more if the perpetrator had not been found.

[Eleanor]

Perhaps if you can point out where another missing child has had a comparable amount of money spent on the search for them for a comparable amount of time there may be a case made for it continuing.

This is an unusual case of a British child being abducted abroad, followed by a crap investigation and a detective hell bent on blaming the parents.  Scotland Yard have had to start from scratch.
And ten million is nothing in an attempt to stop this happening again.  And already any potential abductor is weighing the odds of getting away with such a thing.  Especially since any next time will be dealt with immediately.

I could cry at how badly that poor child was let down.  But you don't need me to tell you of how awful were the mistakes.

[Brietta]

I was referring to cases in general.

Grange has spent £10,000,000 and nothing to show for it, after being initiated by Cameron.

As to scaring abductors, do you have a cite for that ?

The Local Government Association (LGA), which represents almost 400 councils in England and Wales, is calling for gum giants to pay part of the £60 million annual removal cost. That figure would enable councils to fill in over a million potholes. The LGA wants a ‘producer pays' principle to apply, which means manufacturers would contribute to the cost of ensuring proper disposal. - See more at: http://www.local.gov.uk/media-releases/-/journal_content/56/10180/6745145/NEWS#sthash.XvY6xIFZ.dpuf


The money spent by Operation Grange does not represent an annual expenditure ... it is the cost since inception ... and it is very small beer indeed when comparison is made with the annual cost of clearing chewing gum.

I think it makes your complaint about the money spent on the search for a missing child and an attempt to solve a crime is pathetic ... and the chewing gum fact illustrates that exactly.

[Eleanor]

Quote from The Telegraph:  Re The April Jones case.

Detectives quickly launched what became the biggest search in British police history, with specialist teams spending six months scouring an area spanning almost 40 square miles.

The investigation and search is estimated to have cost in excess of £8.5 million.
Unquote

This cost covers a much shorter time span than the McCann case.   No doubt it would have cost a great deal more if the perpetrator had not been found.

Precisely, Benice.  Just how much money to some people think is being spent on cases of Child Abduction?  How much money do they think should be spent?  Let's all give up after how much?

[stephen25000]

The Local Government Association (LGA), which represents almost 400 councils in England and Wales, is calling for gum giants to pay part of the £60 million annual removal cost. That figure would enable councils to fill in over a million potholes. The LGA wants a ‘producer pays' principle to apply, which means manufacturers would contribute to the cost of ensuring proper disposal. - See more at: http://www.local.gov.uk/media-releases/-/journal_content/56/10180/6745145/NEWS#sthash.XvY6xIFZ.dpuf


The money spent by Operation Grange does not represent an annual expenditure ... it is the cost since inception ... and it is very small beer indeed when comparison is made with the annual cost of clearing chewing gum.

I think it makes your complaint about the money spent on the search for a missing child and an attempt to solve a crime is pathetic ... and the chewing gum fact illustrates that exactly.

The thing which is clearly and totally pathetic is the trawling of the 'chewing gum' every time the waste of money that Operation Grange is.

Perhaps you should question the R'soles who regularly spit chewing gum and other 'substances' onto the streets of this country.

As to Grange, it has nothing to show for all the money spent.

[faithlilly]

This is an unusual case of a British child being abducted abroad, followed by a crap investigation and a detective hell bent on blaming the parents.  Scotland Yard have had to start from scratch.
And ten million is nothing in an attempt to stop this happening again.  And already any potential abductor is weighing the odds of getting away with such a thing.  Especially since any next time will be dealt with immediately.

I could cry at how badly that poor child was let down.  But you don't need me to tell you of how awful were the mistakes.

Yes actually I do Eleanor.

And let us not forget Amaral was part of a team and his successor Rebelo seems to have concurred with the 'parents as suspects' view.

[Benice]

The thing which is clearly and totally pathetic is the trawling of the 'chewing gum' every time the waste of money that Operation Grange is.

Perhaps you should question the R'soles who regularly spit chewing gum and other 'substances' onto the streets of this country.

As to Grange, it has nothing to show for all the money spent.

And yet you have no problem with the 'trawling' of the 15 year old  Barry George case on a regular basis whenever  DCI Redwood is mentioned.   Double standards?

How can anyone know what Op. Grange has to show - when we haven't been informed of their findings?

Or are you claiming that SY are keeping you in the picture?

[Brietta]

The thing which is clearly and totally pathetic is the trawling of the 'chewing gum' every time the waste of money that Operation Grange is.

Perhaps you should question the R'soles who regularly spit chewing gum and other 'substances' onto the streets of this country.

As to Grange, it has nothing to show for all the money spent.

There are other advantages to working in close liaison with colleagues from a different country and different cultures which could probably be of benefit to future investigations abroad.

Contacts and networks will have been established and professional developments enhanced.

We know that Scotland Yard have emphasised the fact that there will be no constant update on the investigation as requested and in line with Portuguese practice.

I think your offence at the expenditure is that real culprits are being sought ... and not your culprits of choice.

[Eleanor]

Yes actually I do Eleanor.

And let us not forget Amaral was part of a team and his successor Rebelo seems to have concurred with the 'parents as suspects' view.

No.  Rebelo didn't actually concur.  And never stated that he did.  He was on a Face Saving Exercise.  But it was much too late for that.

Okay, blame the whole Team.  But none of the others wrote a book.  And their efforts in Court were hardly supportive of Amaral.

[faithlilly]

No.  Rebelo didn't actually concur.  And never stated that he did.  He was on a Face Saving Exercise.  But it was much too late for that.

Okay, blame the whole Team.  But none of the others wrote a book.  And their efforts in Court were hardly supportive of Amaral.

So Rebelo went through all the legal loopholes put in his way to organise the rogatory interviews and the rigmarole of arranging the reconstruction to.........? Surely not to save the face of a colleague who, we are told, he had no respect for ?

As to Amaral's colleagues being 'hardly supportive' of him in court, how so ?

[Alfred R Jones]

Oh excuses,excuses.

Rolled out yet again, the old cliche..........................

Unfortunately, more people are now seeing what a waste of money Operation Grange has become.

That allied with increasing cut-backs in Police Funding, to a case which has ground to a halt, a long time ago.

Now where could that money have been spent with a real nce to justice ?

Thanks for proving my point.  If you really cared about what happened to Madeleine McCann you would not bemoan the amount of money spent trying to get to the bottom of it. 

[Alfred R Jones]

Kindly demonstrate where I said it was Alfie ?

You said:

I suspect that most supporter's interest in Madeleine's fate is marginal at best and is only viewed in the context of the impact it has on her parent's own fate.

Am I not representative of "most supporter's" (sic) then?

[Brietta]

No.  Rebelo didn't actually concur.  And never stated that he did.  He was on a Face Saving Exercise.  But it was much too late for that.

Okay, blame the whole Team.  But none of the others wrote a book.  And their efforts in Court were hardly supportive of Amaral.

I think there might very well have been a different outcome had Rebelo been tasked with the investigation from its inception ... or if a team with some expertise in child protection had been called in.

As we have seen there are some highly efficient professionals in the Portuguese police ... I don't think Madeleine McCann benefited from the involvement of any in the initial stages.