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Offline Eleanor

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #105 on: January 22, 2015, 05:55:48 PM »
Eddie was unique amongst all sniffer dogs that have ever been for he appears to be the only one to ever be described as an Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog.  What accreditation was required for that title I wonder...?

Martin Grime made it up.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #106 on: January 22, 2015, 06:19:20 PM »
Keela's Nose Makes Her Top Dog
11:52, UK, Friday 30 December 2005

Her handler, PC Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.

A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said the crime scene investigation dog has saved more then £200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley areas.

In the New Year, Keela will be travelling to America to assist the FBI with two murder inquiries.

http://news.sky.com/story/395084/keelas-nose-makes-her-top-dog
« Last Edit: January 22, 2015, 06:25:31 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #107 on: January 22, 2015, 06:28:34 PM »
Keela's Nose Makes Her Top Dog
11:52, UK, Friday 30 December 2005

Her handler, PC Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.

A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said the crime scene investigation dog has saved more then £200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley areas.

In the New Year, Keela will be travelling to America to assist the FBI with two murder inquiries.

http://news.sky.com/story/395084/keelas-nose-makes-her-top-dog
What measures were used to ascertain that Keela was "top dog"?

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #108 on: January 22, 2015, 06:31:59 PM »
Keela's Nose Makes Her Top Dog
11:52, UK, Friday 30 December 2005

Her handler, PC Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.

A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said the crime scene investigation dog has saved more then £200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley areas.

In the New Year, Keela will be travelling to America to assist the FBI with two murder inquiries.

http://news.sky.com/story/395084/keelas-nose-makes-her-top-dog

At £200,000pa pro rata, do you believe Harrison (with his vested interest) was correct to recommend these particular dogs?

ferryman

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Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #109 on: January 22, 2015, 06:36:55 PM »
At £200,000pa pro rata, do you believe Harrison (with his vested interest) was correct to recommend these particular dogs?

Curiously, contemporaneous reports of Grime's (proven and acknowledged) trip to America in the New Year 2006 says plenty about Keela, but nothing about Eddie ...

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #110 on: January 22, 2015, 06:38:41 PM »
What measures were used to ascertain that Keela was "top dog"?

Keela could be described as ‘top dog’ in her field of expertise. The trained Crime Scene Investigation (CSI) dog has skills like no other and it has left forces worldwide hankering after an insight into her special training.

At the tender age of 16 months, the spaniel has already travelled to Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and Thames Valley to assist with enquires and has made quite an impression.

Keela’s trusty handler Martin Grime is responsible for all training that she has received, together with the National Search Adviser, Mark Harrison.

At present the Force has two victim recovery dogs, Frankie and Eddie. Martin also handles Eddie and has been working with him since he joined up around four years ago.

Keela is trained to locate minute samples of blood and can assist not only in murder investigation but also with scenes of crime teams to identify and recover evidence more efficiently.

Martin explained the reasons for training a CSI dog: “Although South Yorkshire Police have two victim recovery dogs that can detect blood and human remains we felt the need to separate the two search areas. We wanted to create a more specific working dog that could accurately detect very small samples of human blood.

“We had to change the way the dog is trained to alert its handler about a ‘find’. Normal recovery dogs will bark to signal this. In this case it is not appropriate, as the dog would be trained to sniff out blood that is often too small for the human eye to see. Instead, the dog will locate the contaminated area by pointing its nose at the spot where the blood is situated. This is much more accurate.”

This idea has been put forward to senior crime managers and forensic scientists and the response has been very enthusiastic.

In June 2004 Keela was assigned to Martin. The eight-week-old puppy, bred by West Midlands Police, then became the centre of an experiment evaluated by Mark to see whether a dog could be trained to work as part of the team.
Unlike other dogs in the department Keela never participated in the usual six-week course. Martin trained her bit by bit everyday.

Keela followed a programme training her to ignore decomposing body materials other than human blood. She is also trained to have a ‘passive’ alert- where she freezes with her nose as near to the subject matter as possible without touching, to enable scientists to recover the sample quickly and efficiently.

The springer spaniel has now been fully trained and licensed. She works nationally and is deployed by the National Crime and Operations Faculty (NCOF) to high profile murders, missing persons and abductions. She is deployed within South Yorkshire on the directions of Detective Superintendent Kevin Morton to murders and serious assaults etc.

Martin is continuing to develop Keela but his methods are being kept a closely guarded secret until the experiment has been given approval of the ACPO committee.

Keela can search any area including houses, cars, boats, both indoors and outdoors. On duty she will lead Martin to spots of blood so small that humans can’t see them.

She screens textiles and can pick out clothing with blood on even after it has been washed many times in biological washing powder. Offenders can’t even trick her by trying to clean their weapons, as Keela would still smell blood after attempts have been made to wash away the evidence.

Meredydd Hughes, Chief Constable said: ” Keela’s training gives the force an edge when it comes to forensic investigation, which we should recognise and use more often. Martin has developed this capability through innovation and experience, and we are now considering how best to develop the training further. We know other forces are interested, both here and abroad, and we must see what opportunities we can develop. We know we have an operationally excellent dog section, and our specialist dogs are being developed in a unique way.”

Even in the early stages of her career Keela has been more successful than her trainers hoped. She has had a number of operational finds recovering murder weapons, identifying the blood of a victim in a suspect’s car and screening numerous amounts of clothing belonging to suspects.

Keela has made huge efficiency savings for the force in just eight months of work. Nationally since 1 April 2005 she has made savings of approximately £200,000.

A particular example where Keela has proven her efficiency was during a job in Wiltshire. Martin explained: “As a result of this incident 350 items of clothing had been recovered which all needed testing for evidence. To have the items examined at the forensic lab would have cost £200 for each item.
Keela managed to help in just one day which resulted in eight pieces of clothing being detected with blood stains on them.”

The future definitely looks bright for the fun-loving dog wanted to work with the FBI in America. Luckily she has a full pet passport to enable her to jet off to the States where she will assist with two murder enquires at the beginning of next year.”

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2009/11/south-yorkshire-police-killed-eddie-and.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #111 on: January 22, 2015, 07:00:09 PM »
Keela could be described as ‘top dog’ in her field of expertise. The trained Crime Scene Investigation (CSI) dog has skills like no other and it has left forces worldwide hankering after an insight into her special training.

At the tender age of 16 months, the spaniel has already travelled to Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and Thames Valley to assist with enquires and has made quite an impression.

Keela’s trusty handler Martin Grime is responsible for all training that she has received, together with the National Search Adviser, Mark Harrison.

At present the Force has two victim recovery dogs, Frankie and Eddie. Martin also handles Eddie and has been working with him since he joined up around four years ago.

Keela is trained to locate minute samples of blood and can assist not only in murder investigation but also with scenes of crime teams to identify and recover evidence more efficiently.

Martin explained the reasons for training a CSI dog: “Although South Yorkshire Police have two victim recovery dogs that can detect blood and human remains we felt the need to separate the two search areas. We wanted to create a more specific working dog that could accurately detect very small samples of human blood.

“We had to change the way the dog is trained to alert its handler about a ‘find’. Normal recovery dogs will bark to signal this. In this case it is not appropriate, as the dog would be trained to sniff out blood that is often too small for the human eye to see. Instead, the dog will locate the contaminated area by pointing its nose at the spot where the blood is situated. This is much more accurate.”

This idea has been put forward to senior crime managers and forensic scientists and the response has been very enthusiastic.

In June 2004 Keela was assigned to Martin. The eight-week-old puppy, bred by West Midlands Police, then became the centre of an experiment evaluated by Mark to see whether a dog could be trained to work as part of the team.
Unlike other dogs in the department Keela never participated in the usual six-week course. Martin trained her bit by bit everyday.

Keela followed a programme training her to ignore decomposing body materials other than human blood. She is also trained to have a ‘passive’ alert- where she freezes with her nose as near to the subject matter as possible without touching, to enable scientists to recover the sample quickly and efficiently.

The springer spaniel has now been fully trained and licensed. She works nationally and is deployed by the National Crime and Operations Faculty (NCOF) to high profile murders, missing persons and abductions. She is deployed within South Yorkshire on the directions of Detective Superintendent Kevin Morton to murders and serious assaults etc.

Martin is continuing to develop Keela but his methods are being kept a closely guarded secret until the experiment has been given approval of the ACPO committee.

Keela can search any area including houses, cars, boats, both indoors and outdoors. On duty she will lead Martin to spots of blood so small that humans can’t see them.

She screens textiles and can pick out clothing with blood on even after it has been washed many times in biological washing powder. Offenders can’t even trick her by trying to clean their weapons, as Keela would still smell blood after attempts have been made to wash away the evidence.

Meredydd Hughes, Chief Constable said: ” Keela’s training gives the force an edge when it comes to forensic investigation, which we should recognise and use more often. Martin has developed this capability through innovation and experience, and we are now considering how best to develop the training further. We know other forces are interested, both here and abroad, and we must see what opportunities we can develop. We know we have an operationally excellent dog section, and our specialist dogs are being developed in a unique way.”

Even in the early stages of her career Keela has been more successful than her trainers hoped. She has had a number of operational finds recovering murder weapons, identifying the blood of a victim in a suspect’s car and screening numerous amounts of clothing belonging to suspects.

Keela has made huge efficiency savings for the force in just eight months of work. Nationally since 1 April 2005 she has made savings of approximately £200,000.

A particular example where Keela has proven her efficiency was during a job in Wiltshire. Martin explained: “As a result of this incident 350 items of clothing had been recovered which all needed testing for evidence. To have the items examined at the forensic lab would have cost £200 for each item.
Keela managed to help in just one day which resulted in eight pieces of clothing being detected with blood stains on them.”

The future definitely looks bright for the fun-loving dog wanted to work with the FBI in America. Luckily she has a full pet passport to enable her to jet off to the States where she will assist with two murder enquires at the beginning of next year.”

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2009/11/south-yorkshire-police-killed-eddie-and.html

If the UK is not permitted to use human remains in the dog training, what form of blood would Keela have been trained on?
Here is an example of the type of training used abroad dated 2003, which shows Keela's capabilities are not "unique"
.http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Blood-hounds-Trained-in-Mountain-View-these-2557520.php



Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #112 on: January 22, 2015, 07:08:19 PM »
If the UK is not permitted to use human remains in the dog training, what form of blood would Keela have been trained on?
Here is an example of the type of training used abroad dated 2003, which shows Keela's capabilities are not "unique"
.http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Blood-hounds-Trained-in-Mountain-View-these-2557520.php

Keela was specially trained to do a passive alert at the exact spot. No blood on clothes but cadaver. I wonder whose hairs were in the boot  &%+((£ Maybe new forensics may find out.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #113 on: January 22, 2015, 07:10:51 PM »
Keela was specially trained to do a passive alert at the exact spot. No blood on clothes but cadaver. I wonder whose hairs were in the boot  &%+((£ Maybe new forensics may find out.

Or not. as the case may be.

There was something in the news the other day about the use of unaccredited forensic laboratories by the UK police.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30909722
« Last Edit: January 22, 2015, 07:19:36 PM by jassi »
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #114 on: January 22, 2015, 07:19:47 PM »
Keela was specially trained to do a passive alert at the exact spot. No blood on clothes but cadaver. I wonder whose hairs were in the boot  &%+((£ Maybe new forensics may find out.
Keela followed a programme training her to ignore decomposing body materials other than human blood. She is also trained to have a ‘passive’ alert- where she freezes with her nose as near to the subject matter as possible without touching, to enable scientists to recover the sample quickly and efficiently

Eddie didn't indicate cadaver where the hair & body fluids were located which means there was no evidence of decomposition.

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #115 on: January 22, 2015, 07:26:04 PM »
Hypothetically, Eddie could have been alerting to areas in 5a which a pig farmer had been in contact with (the alerts in the Scenic already having forensic corroboration).

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #116 on: January 22, 2015, 07:30:53 PM »
Hypothetically, Eddie could have been alerting to areas in 5a which a pig farmer had been in contact with (the alerts in the Scenic already having forensic corroboration).

Was the pig farmer wearing Kate's clothes?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #117 on: January 22, 2015, 07:36:14 PM »
Was the pig farmer wearing Kate's clothes?

Kate's clothes may have been in the wardrobe with the T-shirt and other dirty laundry, perhaps touched if rifling through looking for hidden valuables.


Offline jassi

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #118 on: January 22, 2015, 07:38:34 PM »
Kate's clothes may have been in the wardrobe with the T-shirt and other dirty laundry, perhaps touched if rifling through looking for hidden valuables.

Is this your fantasy or do you have evidence to substantiate that?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #119 on: January 22, 2015, 07:50:47 PM »
Is this your fantasy or do you have evidence to substantiate that?

No, it is a hypothesis based on the fact that Eddie would alert to dead pig and there was an absence of forensic evidence to substantiate human cadaver contact.