Does publicly "doubting" the McCanns add to the distress of the McCann family?

[Lyall]

You will have to be more concise in your definition of trolling before accusing me of it, Lyall ... not that I'm impressed by your gratuitous insult, it doesn't take away from your defence of the indefensible.

There are people who seem to have no better aim in life than using the internet to cause as much distress as they possibly can to the family of a missing child. 

As far as I can see they justify their attacks by using long disproved lies leaked from someone in the original botched investigation ... and delight in newspaper articles such as the one from which my cites are taken advocating criticism of the 'expense' of investigating the case of a missing child at what is probably the 11th hour and made necessary through the incompetence of the initial investigation.

**snip

"First we had a series of Portuguese police investigations, the ineptitude of which is well documented."

"Occupying a large office at New Scotland Yard, the Met’s ‘Madeleine Squad’ have spent four years painstakingly re-examining the botched Portuguese investigation."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3008479/Yes-s-time-stopped-looking-Maddie-police-boss-says-10m-hunt-end-DAVID-JONES-s-reported-case-eight-years-explains-heavy-heart-agrees.html#ixzz3VJH5rJyN

Yes, we know this, Brietta. But what do you expect us here to do about idiots there, there and there? Repeatedly mentioning them here can only have one aim since we're as powerless to do owt about it as you are.

[Brietta]

Yes, we know this, Brietta. But what do you expect us here to do about idiots there, there and there? Repeatedly mentioning them here can only have one aim since we're as powerless to do owt about it as you are.

I have not aligned myself with 'them' ... from what I have read and seen 'they' are characters who I would cross the street to avoid if I saw them coming.

I am not an apologist for 'them' ... and 'they' are vigorously defended.

Apart from that it is out with my understanding to deliberately add distress to anyone, particularly the family of a missing child and keep up a vitriolic campaign exercising my right to express my 'doubts' on every public forum I have access to, based on nothing better than deliberately false information which I know to be false.

Ostracising 'them' completely might be a step towards making 'them' think about what 'they' are doing ...

Do you really think 'their' excesses should not be highlighted and scrutinised?

[stephen25000]

Your opinion, however mean and nasty I may consider it, is irrelevant.

It is my experience that you make inflammatory personal comment which you cannot substantiate ... still waiting for the pejorative cite from yesterday about Dr McCann's mental health, remember.

How many times have you used your mantra blaming the McCann parenting for her disappearance in the past few years ... is that ...

(a)  to remind yourself 
(b)  to remind others 
(c)  because you can't think of anything else even verging on the truth to criticise them for 
(d)  in the hope of continuing to heap distress on the family of a missing child
(e)  or to demonstrate your concern for Madeleine  ??

Again a brief reminder.

The last people to see Madeleine alive were her parents.

That remains the case until proved otherwise.

As to the mental state particularly her, she at one stage considered suicide.

[Lyall]

I have not aligned myself with 'them' ... from what I have read and seen 'they' are characters who I would cross the street to avoid if I saw them coming.

I am not an apologist for 'them' ... and 'they' are vigorously defended.

Apart from that it is out with my understanding to deliberately add distress to anyone, particularly the family of a missing child and keep up a vitriolic campaign exercising my right to express my 'doubts' on every public forum I have access to, based on nothing better than deliberately false information which I know to be false.

Ostracising 'them' completely might be a step towards making 'them' think about what 'they' are doing ...

Do you really think 'their' excesses should not be highlighted and scrutinised?

You have other locations available where you can let off steam and/or track what those groups are up to.

It's really not relevant here.

[faithlilly]

Marathon gun nut’s threat to kill Kate

Cops probe vile web death threat to mum of missing Madeleine

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4845647/Marathon-gun-nuts-threat-to-kill-Kate-McCann.html


Delighted to hear it was all sorted after a friendly little phone call.

Me too Brietta. Unfortunately we know from bitter experience how these things can get out of hand ( btw loving your use of the Sun article as a 'reliable source'. You were being ironic, weren't you ? )

[G-Unit]

You have other locations available where you can let off steam and/or track what those groups are up to.

It's really not relevant here.

Apart from anything else, what does it achieve? Questioning a poster's judgement, intelligence and motives achieves nothing except derailing whatever subject is being discussed.

[Brietta]

You have other locations available where you can let off steam and/or track what those groups are up to.

It's really not relevant here.

Sorry?

Am I reading that correctly?

Surely you ... as a true believer in "freedom of speech" ... are not suggesting that I pack up my keyboard and wander off?

Sometimes the mask slips, Lyall:  the subject of this thread refers to those whose "doubting" is adding distress to the McCann family ... so which of my posts do you think irrelevant to that?

Or may it be that you are uncomfortable with what I am saying which is why you seem to be suggesting this is not the place to be saying it.

[Brietta]

Me too Brietta. Unfortunately we know from bitter experience how these things can get out of hand ( btw loving your use of the Sun article as a 'reliable source'. You were being ironic, weren't you ? )

Stud Muffin?

[faithlilly]

Stud Muffin?

Sorry I'm not getting you Brietta.

[Lyall]

Sorry?

Am I reading that correctly?

Surely you ... as a true believer in "freedom of speech" ... are not suggesting that I pack up my keyboard and wander off?

Sometimes the mask slips, Lyall:  the subject of this thread refers to those whose "doubting" is adding distress to the McCann family ... so which of my posts do you think irrelevant to that?

Or may it be that you are uncomfortable with what I am saying which is why you seem to be suggesting this is not the place to be saying it.

Give over, you're just using the thread to come out with gems like "some of the campaigns have actively tried to derail Operation Grange from its inception".

It's agenda-driven nonsense.

[G-Unit]

IMO it's simply not true to claim the McCanns silence anyone who suggest they were involved in their daughter's disappearance.   There are people making that very claim - unchecked - on a daily basis and have done for years.

IMO many of the doubts began because of the massive lies printed in the press in 2007.   Even 8 years on - there are still people who believe them.   Many many more lies and myths have been added since then - also firmly believed by some as being the truth.

A quick read round other fora shows that to be the case.

I love the way you pick one statement from a post. OK. The McCanns silenced the UK Media and are coming to the end of an attempt to silence people in Portugal. As I said, they can't silence opinions expressed online quite so easily. Anyone who believes everything the press say is an unthinking sheep, in my opinion. I don't know what the many many lies and myths are, so can't comment. No-one, not even you, knows the truth of what happened in PdL. Some people believe the McCann's version of events, others doubt it.

[Alfred R Jones]

I started this thread simply to ask the question does publicly doubting the McCanns add to their distress  and to the distress of their nearest and dearest.  Most people who have commented on this thread seem to be of the opinion that it probably does, but for some, knowing that their actions may cause distress to csiblngs and grandparents, aunts and uncles of Madeleine McCann, this is not incentive enough to stop their online activities (which are not in many cases limited to this forum).  And there we have it.  Draw your own conclusions....

[Mr Gray]

I love the way you pick one statement from a post. OK. The McCanns silenced the UK Media and are coming to the end of an attempt to silence people in Portugal. As I said, they can't silence opinions expressed online quite so easily. Anyone who believes everything the press say is an unthinking sheep, in my opinion. I don't know what the many many lies and myths are, so can't comment. No-one, not even you, knows the truth of what happened in PdL. Some people believe the McCann's version of events, others doubt it.

You are perpetuating a myth...the mccanns have silenced no one...it is the law of the land which has silenced some....do you want us to suspend the law of libel just so that it does not apply..Who do you imagine believes EVERYTHING the press say...most of us read the press critically. As far as I am concerned it is the unthinking sheep who have believed what they have raed in the press who are on here criticising the McCanns. The archiving report in the files...says that there is no evidence of criminal behaviour..or words to that effect by the MCCanns...do you believe that

[stephen25000]

I started this thread simply to ask the question does publicly doubting the McCanns add to their distress  and to the distress of their nearest and dearest.  Most people who have commented on this thread seem to be of the opinion that it probably does, but for some, knowing that their actions may cause distress to csiblngs and grandparents, aunts and uncles of Madeleine McCann, this is not incentive enough to stop their online activities (which are not in many cases limited to this forum).  And there we have it.  Draw your own conclusions....

Conclusions have already been drawn about your unmitigated one sided support of the mccanns.

[Mr Gray]

Conclusions have already been drawn about your unmitigated one sided support of the mccanns.

by whom ...you and the rest of the waiting for godot crew on amazon