Author Topic: Does publicly "doubting" the McCanns add to the distress of the McCann family?  (Read 99734 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

The law doesn’t say an age when you can leave a child on their own, but it’s an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk.
Use your judgement on how mature your child is before you decide to leave them alone.


The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) says:

children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for a long period of time
children under 16 shouldn’t be left alone overnight
babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone

https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone

Seems clear enough to me, regardless of how many do it.

what are you trying to prove...this has been gone over endless times...

Offline Lace

what are you trying to prove...this has been gone over endless times...


It has,   I don't know why it keeps cropping up,   I believe it is just to have another dig at the McCann's.

The fact of the matter is there was no 'intent'   in other words the McCann's believed that Madeleine and the twins would be safe in their beds and not come to any harm.    Kate herself said she didn't know why she thought it was safe but she did.    They checked on them regularly.

The abductor must love it when people say they brought it on themselves.

They brought it on themselves,  it's trotted out all the time.   NO ONE DESERVES HAVING THEIR CHILD TAKEN FROM IT'S BED!!    It is the person who took her whose fault it is.

No deserves being abused constantly on line either,   the twins will see it the Grand parents will see it the extended family will see it,  they haven't done anything.   
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Offline Eleanor


There was No Intent to Neglect.  I believe that this is what The Final Report said.

Offline G-Unit

There was No Intent to Neglect.  I believe that this is what The Final Report said.

Consequently no crime. But there was criticism;

It is extracted from the files that the McCanns and their friends checked to verify if all was well with their children, as can be concluded from what the members of this group declared, and also derives from the testimony of Jerónimo Tomás Rodrigues Salceda, a waiter at the Tapas [24], who stated that he "noticed, because it was evident, that some of the group's members sometimes went outside of the restaurant to do something, which by and by he realised was to "check" on the children. Nevertheless, he was always convinced that those children were in a space that belonged to the Luz Ocean Club. . ."

Nevertheless, it can also be concluded from the files that this surveillance with the periodicity that was mentioned above was not the one that is alleged in the files, which leaves unexplained why, on that night, the procedures were altered in the sense of reducing the checking intervals.

In effect, this group of friends was enjoying a short holiday period, therefore perfectly relaxed and it would be normal that, having dinner, inclusively with an entertainment service available [25], they were not very concerned with anything that might happen to their children during that dinner period.

It is so much so that Kate herself mentions that on Thursday morning, the 3rd, Madeleine questioned her about the reason why they didn't come to her room, given the fact that the twins had cried [26], as was also mentioned by Gerald.

Pamela Fenn, who resides on the residential block's first floor, above the apartment that was occupied by the McCann family, clarified that on the 1st of May 2007, two days before her disappearance, at around 10.30 p.m., she heard a child crying, which from the sound would be MADELEINE and that she cried for an hour and fifteen minutes, until her parents arrived, at around 11.57 p.m.

This shows that the parents were not persistently worried about their children [and] that they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did, rather neglecting their duty to guard those same children, although not in a temerarious, or gross, manner.

If said guard duty had been observed, in the possibility of this being an abduction, as was insistently mentioned and continues to be mentioned and is admissible to have happened, its occurrence might eventually have been rendered inviable.
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Offline Eleanor


So who was supposed to have been crying?  Madeleine?  The Twins?  Madeleine and The Twins.  Madeleine and one of The Twins?

Offline pathfinder73

So who was supposed to have been crying?  Madeleine?  The Twins?  Madeleine and The Twins.  Madeleine and one of The Twins?

Only Madeleine on the Tue according to Pamela Fenn. On Wed none according to Rachel who stayed in that night next door to the children's room.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Eleanor

Only Madeleine on the Tue according to Pamela Fenn. On Wed none according to Rachel who stayed in that night next door to the children's room.

So who was Madeleine talking about?  And when?

Offline G-Unit

So who was supposed to have been crying?  Madeleine?  The Twins?  Madeleine and The Twins.  Madeleine and one of The Twins?

Does it matter? The point is that leaving the children alone and possibly crying is important to the thread because it led to the first doubts and criticisms of the parents. In my opinion an unequivocal admission that they had done wrong may have ended the criticism. The punishment for leaving the children alone was obviously out of proportion, but it's certain that nothing could have happened to Madeleine between 8.30pm and 10pm that evening had her parents or a baby sitter been in the apartment with her.
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Offline pathfinder73

So who was Madeleine talking about?  And when?

Who told you she said something?

1578 'Who said they'd been crying sorry''

Kate did, when we sat down at the table on the Thursday night, Kate said that erm, Madeleine and Sean had cried, said they'd been crying, erm and you know wondered where she was, or wondered where you know, Mummy and Daddy were, erm I mean this was kind of after Madeleine disappeared, we talked, she mentioned that when we sat at the table on Thursday and then after Madeleine had disappeared, erm McCANNS said, oh well I wonder whether on the Wednesday, you know somebody had tried to get in perhaps or had got in and they'd seen something, erm you know and I was next door in the apartment but I mean I didnt hear any, well you know, I didnt hear anything. (RO)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline carlymichelle

Does it matter? The point is that leaving the children alone and possibly crying is important to the thread because it led to the first doubts and criticisms of the parents. In my opinion an unequivocal admission that they had done wrong may have ended the criticism. The punishment for leaving the children alone was obviously out of proportion, but it's certain that nothing could have happened to Madeleine between 8.30pm and 10pm that evening had her parents or a baby sitter been in the apartment with her.

exactly  and people condone what the mcanns did i will never understand it

Offline Mr Gray

Does it matter? The point is that leaving the children alone and possibly crying is important to the thread because it led to the first doubts and criticisms of the parents. In my opinion an unequivocal admission that they had done wrong may have ended the criticism. The punishment for leaving the children alone was obviously out of proportion, but it's certain that nothing could have happened to Madeleine between 8.30pm and 10pm that evening had her parents or a baby sitter been in the apartment with her.

Actually it could...children have been abducted even when parents have been in the house

Offline G-Unit

exactly  and people condone what the mcanns did i will never understand it

The rest of the group have had some criticism but not as much as their apartments were secured. It's hard for me to believe that those who seem to be the fittest members of the group were also too lazy to go round the corner to their locked front door like everyone else. The other two couples would have saved time too if they had left their patio doors unlocked but they didn't do it.
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Offline Lace

The rest of the group have had some criticism but not as much as their apartments were secured. It's hard for me to believe that those who seem to be the fittest members of the group were also too lazy to go round the corner to their locked front door like everyone else. The other two couples would have saved time too if they had left their patio doors unlocked but they didn't do it.

Yes,  they shouldn't have left the doors unlocked or left the children at all in my opinion.     They have said it is something they will have to live with for the rest of their lives,   does that not sound as though they are sorry for what they did?    Can you honestly believe that they are not full of guilt for doing what they did and are trying to put it right by campaigning to have the investigation opened so that Madeleine hopefully can be found?    How can anyone not see parents who are suffering because of what they did?

I don't see how keeping on having a go at them for what they did is going to change anything,  apart from hurting them even more which I think is what a lot want to do.


Offline pathfinder73

Actually it could...children have been abducted even when parents have been in the house

And she may not have been in the apartment before dinner that night when the last sighting was at 5:30. Why do you think they asked David Payne about whether Gerry owned a tennis bag?

"There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that, it would have been just purely, if they had anything'' (DP)

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Yes,  they shouldn't have left the doors unlocked or left the children at all in my opinion.     They have said it is something they will have to live with for the rest of their lives,   does that not sound as though they are sorry for what they did?    Can you honestly believe that they are not full of guilt for doing what they did and are trying to put it right by campaigning to have the investigation opened so that Madeleine hopefully can be found?    How can anyone not see parents who are suffering because of what they did?

I don't see how keeping on having a go at them for what they did is going to change anything,  apart from hurting them even more which I think is what a lot want to do.

They "keep on having a go at them" because they have absolutely nothing else to 'justify' their relentless animus.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....